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Putin's Tool?
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Looks like Trump was an unwitting friend of the Russians for years. And we still have naive pawns at work today, passing on Russian propaganda.
Looks like Trump was an unwitting friend of the Russians for years. And we still have naive pawns at work today, passing on Russian propaganda.
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I wouldn’t mind chapter and verse myself.
Plainly the Kremlin pokes its nose into things like Scottish independence by its social media agitation, and that’s something we need to be aware of and clamp down on.
But we need to understand the nature of the beast: “interfere in the referendum” is a vague term that covers a multitude of things.
Plainly the Kremlin pokes its nose into things like Scottish independence by its social media agitation, and that’s something we need to be aware of and clamp down on.
But we need to understand the nature of the beast: “interfere in the referendum” is a vague term that covers a multitude of things.
"Still no ISC Russian Report.....something to hide....pesky meddling kids... "
Haven't you just posted a link to it?
It talks of "influence campaigns" but has been redacted it appears.
Those "influence campaigns" are what I was talking of - as far as I can see!
One thing worth mentioning is the RT, the Kremlin's chief propapanda tool in the west, transmits notably on Freeview in a prominent place among a handful of news satations. It has a pitiful auduence rating, admittedly.
And of course Sputnik set up shop in ... Scotland.
Haven't you just posted a link to it?
It talks of "influence campaigns" but has been redacted it appears.
Those "influence campaigns" are what I was talking of - as far as I can see!
One thing worth mentioning is the RT, the Kremlin's chief propapanda tool in the west, transmits notably on Freeview in a prominent place among a handful of news satations. It has a pitiful auduence rating, admittedly.
And of course Sputnik set up shop in ... Scotland.
Ignore Biden's mates rigging the stock market. (GameStop)
Ignore Pelosi and Feinstein's insider dealing.
Ignore Biden 'ramping up' troops for war. At home as well as abroad.
Let's all talk shinola about a totally made-up story that has no bearing on anything.
You rubes do make me laugh but you're still pathetic.
Ignore Pelosi and Feinstein's insider dealing.
Ignore Biden 'ramping up' troops for war. At home as well as abroad.
Let's all talk shinola about a totally made-up story that has no bearing on anything.
You rubes do make me laugh but you're still pathetic.
No comment on OP, but in reply to Khandro:
// all I'm saying is, if it was officially recognised by 'this government' that the Russians had rigged the Scottish referendum, I think I might have come across somewhere. //
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This is a link to an Intelligence and Security Committee Report detailing Russian Interference in British Politics for the last half-dozen years or so.
The relevant passage is (para. 41, p13):
"There has been credible open source commentary suggesting that Russia undertook influence campaigns in relation to the Scottish independence referendum in 2014. However, at the time [redacted]. It appears that [redacted] what some commentators have described as potentially the first post-Soviet Russian interference in a Western democratic process. We note that – almost five years on – [redacted]."
This is manifestly not the same as the 2014 Referendum being "rigged" (or the Brexit Referendum, which is also touched on in the report). It's also not the same as suggesting that the result of either, or both, Referendums would have been different if Russian interference had not been a factor. All the same, foreign interference that distorts the campaign, or promotes misinformation, etc, for the purpose of causing chaos, is clearly unwelcome.
// all I'm saying is, if it was officially recognised by 'this government' that the Russians had rigged the Scottish referendum, I think I might have come across somewhere. //
https:/
This is a link to an Intelligence and Security Committee Report detailing Russian Interference in British Politics for the last half-dozen years or so.
The relevant passage is (para. 41, p13):
"There has been credible open source commentary suggesting that Russia undertook influence campaigns in relation to the Scottish independence referendum in 2014. However, at the time [redacted]. It appears that [redacted] what some commentators have described as potentially the first post-Soviet Russian interference in a Western democratic process. We note that – almost five years on – [redacted]."
This is manifestly not the same as the 2014 Referendum being "rigged" (or the Brexit Referendum, which is also touched on in the report). It's also not the same as suggesting that the result of either, or both, Referendums would have been different if Russian interference had not been a factor. All the same, foreign interference that distorts the campaign, or promotes misinformation, etc, for the purpose of causing chaos, is clearly unwelcome.
It puzzles me that some are so quick to defend a gangster state.
As Jim says, there is plenty of evidence that Russian trilling attempted to influence the debate on Scottish independence
Perhaps the reason the “MSM” hasn’t made much of that is because it’s rather dull and after all not illegal. But these people are our enemies and don’t mean us well so it’s right that government and intelligence services look to the threat
As Jim says, there is plenty of evidence that Russian trilling attempted to influence the debate on Scottish independence
Perhaps the reason the “MSM” hasn’t made much of that is because it’s rather dull and after all not illegal. But these people are our enemies and don’t mean us well so it’s right that government and intelligence services look to the threat
Why should it be so difficult to believe that the Russians and other foreign powers might try to interfere in our election processes? Especially because it's been established that the Russian Government has also interfered in the American elections, in particular 2016.
It doesn't make those elections illegitimate, which perhaps might explain the pushback -- but it doesn't make the idea any less troubling.
It doesn't make those elections illegitimate, which perhaps might explain the pushback -- but it doesn't make the idea any less troubling.
jim; // it's been established that the Russian Government has also interfered in the American elections, in particular 2016.//
It's interesting how readily you are prepared to assert Russian interference in US elections & yet have just recently been dismissing claims by Trump & the Republicans that interference had taken place in the last one!
Do you favour only a certain kind of interference where the outcome is agreeable to you?
It's interesting how readily you are prepared to assert Russian interference in US elections & yet have just recently been dismissing claims by Trump & the Republicans that interference had taken place in the last one!
Do you favour only a certain kind of interference where the outcome is agreeable to you?
Please point me to where I've dismissed the idea of Russian interference in 2020. In fact, I don't doubt for a second that there was Russian interference in 2020. But in 2016 it didn't undermine the legitimacy of the voting process itself, nor the outcome, and in 2020 it didn't either. The voters are still ultimately in control of whom they vote for, even if they may have been bombarded with misinformation.
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