Nurses Pay Rise

[lankeela]

would you accept a tax increase to give the NHS staff a bigger pay rise? If everyone who clapped agreed they could pay them more but I wonder how many would actually agree to paying for it?

[teacake44]

May be ( some) were have a sly dig on the side, about the NHS?

[Bobbisox1]

Not here, I have nothing but praise for them and I always will but the OP asked we thought so I simply put my thoughts down!

[Boto]

No they didn’t sign up to put their lives at risk but not all doctors and nurses were ‘on the front line’. Also what about all the admin staff, cleaners etc who would also get a pay rise. They are no different from anyone in the private sector. My friend who is a sister was seconded to ITU. Yes she worked long hours but had extra days off in the week, she thought that was great.

[ummmm]

Are you really suggesting that NHS staff shouldn't get sick pay?

[bluemoon1]

teacake, I'm sure that happens occasionally and I'm also sure they're not alone when it does. It's called one of the drawbacks of an otherwise very well paid job. I was well paid in my job as an emergency gas engineer and I had to visit the homes of those druggies and drunks on my own.

[Vagus]

There’s only so much money to go round so we all (including nhs people) need to realise this and stop moaning about ‘only’ getting 1% pay rise.

[Bobbisox1]

Let's put my post into perspective , someone who has 'odd ' days here and there on a regular basis are not sick, those are the ones I mean not the genuinely ill people !
I have worked with people who added sick leave as their entitlement, it isn't

[tiggerblue10]

I think you get warnings if you hit triggers on sick absence. I'm public sector and it's either 6 days or 3 separate absences.

[webbo3]

Emmie @18:16
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/man-behind-ps350m-a-week-brexit-bus-lie-admits-leaving-eu-could-be-an-error-a3579676.html

\\As the leading strategist for Vote Leave, he came up with a campaign guaranteeing an extra £350m would be spent on the NHS every week from diverted EU spending. The claim was emblazoned across the side of the Vote Leave campaign bus.//

They never guaranteed it, it says "Lets", which is a suggestion.

[teacake44]

Its not happening occasionally bluemoon, its every night of the week and a lot worse at weekends, and sometimes the police are spending a lot of their shift trying to protect them doctors and nurses, but can't always be their because there's not enough of them to go round, 20k police officers short. Think if every night you had to go to work worrying about getting beat up while trying to do your job, and the one thats beating you is the one your trying to help.

[teacake44]

People can have odd days of migraine, and many other ailments.

[pixie374]

I wouldn't accept an increase- I pay enough. But reprioritising might be a good idea. The NHS could do with it as well.

[Bobbisox1]

Pixie I agree

[webbo3]

teacake@18:57
\\Its not happening occasionally bluemoon, its every night of the week and a lot worse at weekends, and sometimes the police are spending a lot of their shift trying to protect them doctors and nurses, but can't always be their because there's not enough of them to go round//

the police aren't spending a lot of their shift in a hospital, they spend time there if they have arrested someone who needs treatment, hospitals have security.

[bobbinwales]

ha ha Deskdiary. Your the one who doesnt think it through. Looks like seeing my name is like a redrag to bull , Whatever a say you dismiss it in your arrogant fashion.
I never recommended doubling VAT or income tax. All that was said was thats the scale of the the shortfall that needs to be found at some stage just to pay the couple of hundred billion for furlough, grants, lost vat and tax receipts, funding of T&T, vaccinnations, NHS overtime and Nightingales, support to council .

Read and learn
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/cost-coronavirus

Big sums eh??

And it dwarfs VAT or income tax. VAT raise's around £130 billion. If VAt receipts could be doubled it might pay it off in a couple of years.
VAT raises. Doubling income tax receipts for a year or two would also pretty much clear it. obviously no goverment could do that and the affect on the economy would be unthinkable. I never said we should do it in one go. But thats the scale of the problem. We cant just keep dishing money out & not expect to have to clear some of the deficit can we.
So it turn's out it was you who fired off a reply without thinking it through. Standard.

On the 1% its a tactical move . Therell be a fudge. The union want 12.5%, the goverment says it can afford 1%. The pay review body will decide its bit. If it says 3-5% fair enough, good for nurses and doctors etc, hopefully goverment will accept the recommendation. Maybe throw in a £500 bonus too. But it will after be paid for along with everything else. But the tax can will be kicked down the road until after an election so Kier as to sort it out or Rishi if his PM next election.

[Deskdiary]

I didn’t say you recommended it Bob.

But you did say “really needs” VAT or income tax almost doubling.

You said it, I didn’t.

[bobbinwales]

Your right, I did say it. And its true, but you forgot maybe to mention that
Do you have a suggestion deskdiary? I'm off now as a realise you may need a few day's to think it through

[teacake44]

19.21 But most off them have been arrested.

[fcc]

looks like bobinwales has got the t*tty lip on and taken his ball home.

[Deskdiary]

I don’t have a suggestion Bob - we elect people to make taxation decisions for us.

But I do know that doubling VAT or Income Tax is not the answer, because (a) a “nearly” doubling of VAT will stop people spending which will ruin the economy even more, and (b) a “nearly” doubling of Income Tax will leave people not being able to afford to pay their mortgages or rent and put food on the table.

It’s so obvious I’m astonished you even suggested it.