Vaccines And One Very Good Reason For Celebrating Departure From The Eu

[Apc2604]

A longish article but well worth reading right through.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56361840

[Zacs-Master]

Indeed. The converse side of that is travel won’t open up,as quickly so your Fingeryohola holiday might be delayed.

[Chinajan]

I'm sick of Fingeryohola anyway. Might go somewhere else this time.

[Apc2604]

ZM, All I keep hearing is that people are excited about holidays and hairdressers. Neither are a priority. If people are considering European holidays they must be mad!!

[Bobbisox1]

Yet Spain have opened up all the bars and cafes?
I only know this as I have a friend who's living there,seems a rather foolish thing to do if they're behind with their vaccination roll out

[Zacs-Master]

More of a Tossa person, are we?

[Zacs-Master]

We’ve all been bored in the pandemic, China. You’re excused.

[jno]

for all the problems of roll-out in Germany, their death rate is still less than half of ours.

Which is better - far fewer people dead or far more people vaccinated? I'm not sure there's an obvious answer to that.

[Apc2604]

Bobbie, my best friend lives in Spain and we talk daily. I don't say this to her, but I have doubts thst Spain is being very dishonest with the statistics it provides!

They want to sell up and come home after 12 years. They don't live in a holiday area.

[Apc2604]

Is being very honest!!

[mushroom25]

// their death rate is still less than half of ours. //

total deaths in the UK (in round figures) = 125K.
Total deaths in Germany (in round figures) = 73K.

if Germany's figure was half, it would be 62.5K, if less than half it would be smaller. but at 73K it's bigger than half by 10K......

[Zacs-Master]

He’s right, you know!

[jno]

mushroom, I said death *rate* not death total.

Germany: 879 deaths per million population
UK: 1840 deaths per million population.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[Zacs-Master]

Ooooh, nice counter.

[Apc2604]

Bad maths!

Prevention will always be better than cure.

Some people will just not acknowledge any UK success, without souring things.

The point is we got it right. And we would not be where we are now if we were still in the EU.à

[Zacs-Master]

We would be where we are now cos we can’t go anywhere else.

[royfromaus]

Bobbisox1
Yet Spain have opened up all the bars and cafes?
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And Italy is shutting down again.

[Peter Pedant]

// 'Dear Christa, we would all be very happy for you to change your working hours at the EMA for the following months to 24 hours a day and 7 days a week - and to approve vaccines not in three months but in three weeks. It's a matter of life and death'.//

if you tundle along at 1000 deaths a week and a neighbouring country is maundering along at 100 in a vaccinated vaccinated then that is at most 900 deaths a week or around 3500 deaths amonth which can have been avoided

and the europeans are coming to their cake and ha'penny very slowly on this

[jno]

we would not be where we are now if we were still in the EU

sure we would. EU countries are free to arrange their own vaccines. The EU itself doesn't have any at all. Germany buys a lot directly from BioTech, for instance.

[Peter Pedant]

// mushroom, I said death *rate* not death total.//

good I am glad someone beside me is getting possy about this

rate has a time element ( no not Peter P THINKS there maybe a time thingey in rates) rate has a time element - per unit time
per day - per month

the total number of deaths may be 1000 per million
but the rate is 250 per million per month or whatever

not sorry

ratio should be used to avoid confusion and just being plainly wrong see above

and both the deaths per head of population and the death rate ( er different remember per unit time) probably are not useful to show a differenee

but the death rates per month since vacca probably are
( coz Britain vaccinated and the others didnt)