A Reasonable Response Or Not?

[ichkeria]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56404542

[ToraToraTora]

no, radio renhtal, there is no connection, even their own figures suggest no more cases than that which naturally occur. This is EUSSR gamesmanship again, they'll never forgive us for leaving their Reich.

[Peter Pedant]

from another thread
Anyone doing vaccines?
Pollard this am on R4 around 07 30 very good
1. he Andrew Pollard is the guy in charge
2. three clots reported now up to 40. You expect 3000 deaths per month from clots anyway. so an increase may not be happening
3. If you are running at 1000 covid deaths a month and you dont vacca for a month then you have 1000 deaths instead of 40. (*)
4.What about vacca whilst you have covid but dont know? - - well you clot with Covid anyway so you are never gonna know what it is

which considering some of the blindly stupid rubbish around I thought was very clear

(*) opportunity cost argument but you have to know what an opportunity cost is

[Sqad]

It is a response.
Reasonable?.Time will tell.
It is certainly of some concern and thought.
I have had the AZ vaccine and will still have the AZ booster......at the moment that is.

[Mamyalynne]

I don't feel it's a reasonable response but it's up to each Country how they handle this.

[Peter Pedant]

any responses on AB are clearly off the wall.

the anti vaxxers are having some recent difficulty with the idea that not vaccinating means that people are dying faster ( but from covid rather than anything else)

[Bobbisox1]

EU playing silly burgas again probably to cover up their recent faux pas

[Sqad]

Don't under estimate European scientists and doctors, i have met many and have the greatest respect for their opinions and expertise.
You scoff at your peril.

[ichkeria]

It isn’t the EU ...

[Peter Pedant]

even the fluffy Beeb hack said:

In the UK, more than 11 million people have already received at least one dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine and there has been no sign of excess deaths or blood clots occurring.

Pollard made the point - we have millions of doses administered far more than the sum of Europe

Oh and they are croaking immediately which is not the usual picture for pulmonary embolism innit? - 10 d gap after initiating event

[ichkeria]

I’m inclined to agree with Sqad.
On the one hand, yes the figures don’t appear to back up the concern.
On the other hand, it reminds us all how quick all this has turned around and that vaccines usually take a long time to gain approval for a reason

[ToraToraTora]

been a lot of silliness going on in Yerp of late!

[TonyV]

Well having had my first AZ vaccine on the 3rd of March I'm fine. Russia are just putting it down, so they can sell their own vaccine version. IMO

[Bobbisox1]

I don't easily panic or scare with this type of stuff so I'll wait and see

[davebro]

If they don't want it I'm sure other countries will be happy to accept the excess doses.

[Peter Pedant]

// Don't under estimate European scientists and doctors//
I dont
well President Macron isnt one ( quasi ineffectual)
neither is the EMA ( euro medicines agency - load of admins shuffling paper around )

and the German prof just on tee-vee had difficulty with - "stop vaccinating and more will die from covid than from vacca wont they?"

"jawohl many more but we have to be seen to be safe"
christ did he really say that?

[royfromaus]

They haven't got enough AZ to roll out so they suspended AZ for deflection...


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[Peter Pedant]

// and that vaccines usually take a long time to gain approval for a reason//

and people ( not well educated profs and sages and savants but ordinary people like you and me) said that - we wait and see in Britain

BUT it has been slow to catch on that if you delay 6 m and wait and see then you have six months deaths ( for us 25 000 -is that an underestimate?) - and spare 40 vacca deaths
which silly old me says is NOT a good trade.

[ichkeria]

The point is Peter: yes we all support the quick rollout.
But the fact it’s a new “thing” makes people jumpy when anything bad happens.

[woofgang]

just like excess deaths, I'd be wanting to know the "all causes" total of embolisms over the same period as the reported ones, also the "all causes" for the same age range as the age range of those vaccinated ....it would be REALLY interesting if the all causes number had dropped!

[The Builder]

I honestly don't think this is politically motivated ... just for once.
It's easy to lose sight of the fact that, as far as global vaccination in response to a pandemic unknown in history is concerned, we are in uncharted territory.

It is far too early in the process to be unnecessarily alarmed.
Never too early for the media to seize on any sniff of alarm though.

Given the scale of this venture, I would be surprised if such glitches did not crop up.