Is Trivial Mud Slinging Hurting The Thrower More Than The Target?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.nationalworld.com/news/politics/boris-johnson-vs-keir-starmer-polls-latest-opinion-polls-on-party-leaders-ahead-of-2021-local-elections-3219135
The Party and PM's figures look good. Mid term you'd normally expect the opposition to be ahead, so what are Labour doing wrong?

[emmie]

they can be on the GLA, they can do their worse there.

[Peter Pedant]

more sinned against than sinning

jesus and Boris has done some sinning in his short life ....

[Peter Pedant]

Togo - Max headroom - he's back and er spending?

"how can you tell if a politicians lying ? You can see his lips move!"
great - where is he on?

[youngmafbog]

SKS was looking for wallpaper to paper over the cracks in the labour party I reckon.

I still say Boris needs to go. I want a Tory party not one aligned to the green party of his latest squeeze.

[Canary42]

Ironic that if it's a single Mum trying to make ends meet that's exposed as a Benefit Cheat, the Rabid Right come out frothing at the mouth with moral outrage demanding draconian punishment, but when it's their Beloved Boris it's "trivial".

[dannyk13]

Canary//Ironic that if it's a single Mum trying to make ends meet that's exposed as a Benefit Cheat, //
Where did you get that from?. Do you have a link?

[Peter Pedant]

I agree that TTT does tend to foo for ever over teenage benefit cheats with a kid in tow

[Togo]

Hah Ta TTT. Went out for a walk. I'm told that Max went into the wallpaper shop and was so static and inanimate that someone gave him a pasting.

[ToraToraTora]

Canary: //but when it's their Beloved Boris it's "trivial".// - but it's gully's beloved Boris isn't it?

[andy-hughes]

It's a measure of the utter lack of effectiveness of Labour as an opposition party, that they have the gift of 'Wallpapergate" and they have utterly failed to capitalise on it.

Boris only has to bluff and dismiss, and he is extremely good at doing both, and Starmer remains unable to make anything stick, even his photoshoot handling rolls of wallpaper has competely backfired and made him look even more stupid.

If the Labour Party can't do any better with a gift like this, it does not auger well for their future as anything approaching a believeable and electable party for the future.

[ToraToraTora]

AH: "If the Labour Party can't do any better with a gift like this, it does not auger well for their future as anything approaching a believeable and electable party for the future." - so (sorry) they have to do something with their approach?

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // AH: "If the Labour Party can't do any better with a gift like this, it does not auger well for their future as anything approaching a believeable and electable party for the future." - so (sorry) they have to do something with their approach? //

No need to apologise, no breaking of the 'So Rule' there!!! (LOL!)

In my view they should be seriously worried because they have clearly follwed their default position of choosing party leaders who couldn't win an elecetcion if they were the only candidate!

Foot, Kinnock, Milliband, Corbyn, and now Starmer, and there isn't an ounce of personality or political weight in any of them.

Why is it so hard for Labour to look at the way the Conservatives do things, and follow their example?

Boris may not be everyone's choice, but he has depth of personality, and clear ability in terms of easily winning Dispatch Box exchanges.

Starmer has less than no idea of how party politics works, he needs to hang on until Labour can field a viable candidate, and step down before the next election.

They let Corbyn hang on, and look how that ended up!!

[ToraToraTora]

AH: "Why is it so hard for Labour to look at the way the Conservatives do things, and follow their example?" - they did once and it worked pretty well." Labour need to realise that Real Labour is not what the public will ever elect and proceed from there.

"Boris may not be everyone's choice, but he has depth of personality, and clear ability in terms of easily winning Dispatch Box exchanges." - yes and the shortcomings are no where near enough to persuade the voters away. Labour think that everyone supports their pro terrorist anti British views, they don't.

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // Labour think that everyone supports their pro terrorist anti British views, they don't. //

I don't even think you can credit Labour with offering anything for the electorate to disagree with!

There is nothing there, no policies, no persoanlities, no plan, and absolutely no opposition, with a small or a large 'o'.

[ToraToraTora]

what I find remarkable is that I am a huge fan and supporter of our third greatest ever PM, Clement Atlee, he created our Welfare state and the envy of the world, the NHS, I am just honoured to live in one of the few civilised nations when it comes to healthcare, yet I regularly get attacked by left wingers because I dare to attack the the barbarity of the rest of the world, especially the US.

[Apc2604]

AH at 16.35 Absolutely! Best answer in my opinion.

[Proper12]

This is agreat question, thank you.

[tomus42]

// what are Labour doing wrong? //

a) Not electing a leader that appeals to anyone.
b) Telling everyone with any money that they're going to take their money off them..

[Peter Pedant]

// et I regularly get attacked by left wingers because I dare to attack //
no you elect to use your right not to speak English
and get mercilessly ridiculed for your efforts

as for clarity - - what is it you are trying to say?

[Samuraisan]

Why does TTT keep insiting that the NHS is the envy of the world ? It's not. I have never read or heard anyone in Spain envying the NHS. We have a perfectly good one here, as does Germany, France, Italy, Switzerland etc.etc.etc. even Japan. Maybe he's refering to third world countries and the US ? I reckon they envy any country that has a health service.