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There's lots of noises the Govt is going to be pathetic and buckle and delay freedom day.
According to the link below deaths have doubled to 8 (8, not 80 or 800 or 8,000 - but 8), and my health authority in SE England has not had a Covid death for 100 days - so 2 and a 1/2 months.
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There is not a single meaningful reason for freedom day to be delayed, so why is it likely to happen?
According to the link below deaths have doubled to 8 (8, not 80 or 800 or 8,000 - but 8), and my health authority in SE England has not had a Covid death for 100 days - so 2 and a 1/2 months.
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There is not a single meaningful reason for freedom day to be delayed, so why is it likely to happen?
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Protect the NHS by destroying the economy? Without a healthy economy there will be no money for "our wonderful NHS". We pour billions into the NHS in order that they can look after us. To destroy even more businesses, jobs and livelihoods just so the NHS don't have too many patients is ridiculous. Yes it might get busier but so be it, they will have to cope. The economy is now more important than wrapping the NHS in cotton wool.
//NJ, rather than using "ball park figures" since the ONS figures are available, why not use them instead?//
The only ball park figures I used, Corby, were total deaths. All the rest (new infections, hospitalisations, Covid deaths) were actuals, albeit 7 day averages to avoid the weekend problem. For deaths I took the average of the last five years (which I've been using all along) which, from memory, is about 1,700 a day.
If you use your specific week and 9,006 total deaths, 59 were announced as official Covid deaths, so 1 in 153 or 0.65%.
It doesn't really matter what figures are used and I'll not say one lot is any more appropriate than another. The overriding fact is that the effect of Covid in the UK is now miniscule whatever numbers are used. Yes, they may go up and almost certainly will, but all the people most likely to develop serious symptoms have been vaccinated and the country cannot go on as it is. It is particularly galling for businesses that are on their knees when they see politicians and their lackies jetting in from all over the world, hugging each other and having beach barbecues, for them to be told they must remain restricted to counter what is now a considerably reduced threat. Stand by for the softening up exercise to begin today to let people know that July 19th is not a given either because if it is not safe for relaxations to take place next Monday, it won't be in five weeks' time either.
The only ball park figures I used, Corby, were total deaths. All the rest (new infections, hospitalisations, Covid deaths) were actuals, albeit 7 day averages to avoid the weekend problem. For deaths I took the average of the last five years (which I've been using all along) which, from memory, is about 1,700 a day.
If you use your specific week and 9,006 total deaths, 59 were announced as official Covid deaths, so 1 in 153 or 0.65%.
It doesn't really matter what figures are used and I'll not say one lot is any more appropriate than another. The overriding fact is that the effect of Covid in the UK is now miniscule whatever numbers are used. Yes, they may go up and almost certainly will, but all the people most likely to develop serious symptoms have been vaccinated and the country cannot go on as it is. It is particularly galling for businesses that are on their knees when they see politicians and their lackies jetting in from all over the world, hugging each other and having beach barbecues, for them to be told they must remain restricted to counter what is now a considerably reduced threat. Stand by for the softening up exercise to begin today to let people know that July 19th is not a given either because if it is not safe for relaxations to take place next Monday, it won't be in five weeks' time either.
//It is particularly galling for businesses that are on their knees when they see politicians and their lackies jetting in from all over the world, hugging each other and having beach barbecues, for them to be told they must remain restricted to counter what is now a considerably reduced threat.//
And that is exactly the problem for many people, not just businesses. The only people I have spoke to who think freedom day should be cancelled are on here and are no doubt the ones who are not affected one iota by it one way or another.
If that fat lying sack of excrement that goes by the name of Johnson doesn't lift the restrictions than he must go, along with Hancock and SAGE. Time for protesting to keep our freedoms is close before they are gone forever.
And that is exactly the problem for many people, not just businesses. The only people I have spoke to who think freedom day should be cancelled are on here and are no doubt the ones who are not affected one iota by it one way or another.
If that fat lying sack of excrement that goes by the name of Johnson doesn't lift the restrictions than he must go, along with Hancock and SAGE. Time for protesting to keep our freedoms is close before they are gone forever.
> Why don't the people who reckon we shouldn't be delaying try explaining what the Government stands to gain by delaying?
Nobody answered, so I'll have a go myself ...
As I understand it, it's this. Less than half of adults, and very few children, have been double vaccinated. The delta/Indian variant can flourish among that less-than-fully-vaccinated population. Delta may result in fewer hospitalisations (but still enough to cause a problem), it may result in fewer deaths, but the big problem is that at its current level of vaccination, most of the country is still a breeding ground for new and nastier variants that arise from the easily transmissible delta, variants that the current vaccines won't stop - and we'll be back to square one. Given what we've already gone through, we need a few more weeks to get more people to be double vaccinated, simple as that.
Nobody answered, so I'll have a go myself ...
As I understand it, it's this. Less than half of adults, and very few children, have been double vaccinated. The delta/Indian variant can flourish among that less-than-fully-vaccinated population. Delta may result in fewer hospitalisations (but still enough to cause a problem), it may result in fewer deaths, but the big problem is that at its current level of vaccination, most of the country is still a breeding ground for new and nastier variants that arise from the easily transmissible delta, variants that the current vaccines won't stop - and we'll be back to square one. Given what we've already gone through, we need a few more weeks to get more people to be double vaccinated, simple as that.
The key thing as I said earlier is that they don’t want to go into reverse.
Johnson got burned once by a casual attitude which seemed to be based on a ridiculous belief that the test and trace system was going to be much more effective than it was ever likely to be.
The difference is now there’s a vaccine but they reckon still not enough people have got some sort of immunity to relax everything completely on the original date which was always in doubt anyway.. That day will presumably come, helped of course by people actually getting sick
Johnson got burned once by a casual attitude which seemed to be based on a ridiculous belief that the test and trace system was going to be much more effective than it was ever likely to be.
The difference is now there’s a vaccine but they reckon still not enough people have got some sort of immunity to relax everything completely on the original date which was always in doubt anyway.. That day will presumably come, helped of course by people actually getting sick
mine either zacs. things arent exactly the same as pre-covid, but i dont think there were plans to just go back to the old normal in 2 weeks - my fave cafe now has ordering from your table via an app, and its very convenient. you can still order by person too. i asked the girl if they were going to continue when i was there last week and she said yes
More hospital admissions for Covid mean more delays for those with other serious health needs who have already been waiting up to 18 months for help.
it is NOT another 4 weeks of lockdown, most restrictions are already lifted, it is just another 4 weeks before the final stage of easing. Not a lot to ask if it helps others.
it is NOT another 4 weeks of lockdown, most restrictions are already lifted, it is just another 4 weeks before the final stage of easing. Not a lot to ask if it helps others.
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