Shamima Begum Begs The Uk To Let Her Come Back

[Bobbisox1]

She’s says “I was just a dumb kid when I joined ISIS”
Do you trust her?

https://news.sky.com/topic/shamima-begum-7972

[zebo]

//If we were all judged for the people we were at the age of 15 I dare to think where most would be today.//

True, but I doubt our poor decisions at 15 involved sneaking out of the country to watch heads being hacked off. Do you take the same sympathetic view of Thompson and Venables who were about 11 when they murdered Jamie Bulger?

[fender62]

she's a hard core islamists, and those beliefs are ingrained, to her the koran is the devine word of allah and his messenger, and to that, what its says about unbelievers holds, we are less then.. so she has not changed and never will, if she renounced islam on camera she would be killed where she is, girls of 15 are very mature infact she was so mature she managed to make here way to syria or turkey whatever route she took, that takes planning and cash and help
i do not think it was erm fancy a trip abroad one night, to me she is using taqiyyah and some on here are falling for it.

[jennyjoan]

I just watched a good hour of it - Sky Documentaries - what happened after Isis. Begum or whatever she was called does come across a pretty cold individual, she said when she was asked by the interviewer what did she think when she saw a head in a bucket, "it didn't faze me". No she is a dangerous person. I definitely wouldn't trust her. But my heart does go out to the little children, "suffer little children to come onto me". They didn't ask to be born.

[Jackdaw33]

Her 'little children' are all dead. Born and died within three years.

[jennyjoan]

JD - I'm not talking about her children - but the other children that live on the camp. to be honest that last baby she was allegedly holding while being interviewed looked like rags to me

[naomi24]

The Middle East, camps or otherwise, is a different world, JJ.

[Khandro]

jennyjoan //to be honest that last baby she was allegedly holding while being interviewed looked like rags to me//

I agree completely; the last 'baby' was fictitious, it appeared to have no weight & 'its' face was always covered. It was simply a ruse to gain sympathy, when the lie didn't work, the 'baby' mysteriously 'died'.

[Peter Pedant]

// The Middle East, camps or otherwise, is a different world, JJ.//
never a truer word

Third baby - no baby - I had a good look at the viddies at the time and wondered if the baby was a doll. We know from independent testimony she was being bullied at the time by other refugees for showing too much - they went for deep purdah (*) and were making their choice knnown to Shameem

and I thought it stirred at one time - - otherwise sick babies are pretty quiet - and then they DDDDIIIIIEEEEE! - ( just slip away in fact)

[Bobbisox1]

I too watched the documentary on Sky last night ( well half of it ) I’ll watch the rest this morning , little boys who could be no more than 4 shouting and hailing a jihad as victorious
“Listen to me” one shouted “ Die as a jihadist and you’ll go to paradise “ then there was the ‘slave’ market where they sold people like Begum for a gun, no doubt about it , this girl is now a beautiful 21 yr old with eyes as cold as steel who was mature enough at 15 to fly to Turkey and take a bus to the Syrian border, and that takes planning!

[Peter Pedant]

// then there was the ‘slave’ market where they sold people like Begum for a gun, no doubt about it , this girl is now a beautiful 21 yr old//

er no I am not sure if muslims were sold into slavery by muslims. The prophet ( peace be on his head) did have converts who were slaves, but I dont think they were enslaved (Ali - big black fella - good slave. got to be one of the Companions ( erdoz value 1)

the slaves were Yazdis and others - see Black Crows on netflix ( episode 2 is NOT yer liddle pony)(*)

(*) the Yazdia starts singing and the leddy of the house says no no we will all get beaten ! And da Yasdia sings the louder and comments what have I got to lose - you bought me as a slave

[Bobbisox1]

Peter this was Slavery ISIS style !

[naomi24]

//little boys who could be no more than 4 shouting and hailing a jihad as victorious//

Bobbi, if you saw some of the cartoons shown on Middle Eastern television for young children you would be truly shocked.

[Peter Pedant]

slavery ISIS style is a social construct innit?

[Bobbisox1]

I’m sure I would Naomi

[Khandro]

Peter; You do understand that there are Sunni & Shia Muslims don't you?

[jennyjoan]

Bobbi - when I get few chores done this morning - I will be watching the rest of the programme this morning. She is one cool, cold uncaring, remorseless girl. I found when most of the women whose women's men were back in contact with them ie (men in jail) - a little smile emitted from the corners of their mouths in other words - they still loved these men. No Begum and co-horts stay where you belong.

[sp1814]

https://twitter.com/scottruth/status/1405057516548075521?s=21

[NeedToKnowPlease]

SP I fear that video will go over the heads of most on here.

They prefer to liken the situation to Lee Rigby :S

[ToraToraTora]

I don't see how not prosecuting the Hitler Youth has to do with whether we should let her back into the country. RM was talking about trials after a war, we are talking about something completely different.

[Mozz71]

While I see the point he's making about not prosecuting children, it's always funny to see Godwin's Law in full effect.