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Is U E F A Correct To Support Homophobic Laws Of Competitor Nations?
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....even though they dress it up as a "political" decision, is this evidence of institutional homophobia in football?
....even though they dress it up as a "political" decision, is this evidence of institutional homophobia in football?
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17:42 Wed 23rd Jun 2021
I am not sure that declining to support a visual gesture of something translates as a position that is against it.
Not supporting this gesture does not mean that UEFA is supporting Homophobic laws of other countries.
I believe that UEFA has taken the correct decision in not bowing to social pressure - because it would set a seriously bad precident for future gestures on future occasions.
If you take one gesture and provide it, then what happens when England play Scotland, and Scotland wants an independence support gesture to be provided?
Or Israel plays an Arabic nation, and one oor other, or both, decoide they want their political stance on the West Bank to be confimed to the watching world?
It's a slipperly slope, and the easiest and best way to avoid sliding down it is to avoid as far as possible letting sport become overlly politicised.
Not supporting this gesture does not mean that UEFA is supporting Homophobic laws of other countries.
I believe that UEFA has taken the correct decision in not bowing to social pressure - because it would set a seriously bad precident for future gestures on future occasions.
If you take one gesture and provide it, then what happens when England play Scotland, and Scotland wants an independence support gesture to be provided?
Or Israel plays an Arabic nation, and one oor other, or both, decoide they want their political stance on the West Bank to be confimed to the watching world?
It's a slipperly slope, and the easiest and best way to avoid sliding down it is to avoid as far as possible letting sport become overlly politicised.
TTT - // AH: "I am not sure that declining to support a visual gesture of something translates as a position that is against it." - they are not "not supporting it" they are banning it. //
I think that is really just a matter of semantics.
However EUFA choose to exercise their right not to support political or social gestures through their platforms, the end result remains the same.
In the same way that the BBC does not 'ban' records from its airwaves, it simply opts not to play them, the end result is the same, the records are not heard.
I would suggest that stating there is a 'ban' ideally puts down a marker for any future organisations planning to use future UEFA events for the furtherance of their political and / or social messages.
I think that is really just a matter of semantics.
However EUFA choose to exercise their right not to support political or social gestures through their platforms, the end result remains the same.
In the same way that the BBC does not 'ban' records from its airwaves, it simply opts not to play them, the end result is the same, the records are not heard.
I would suggest that stating there is a 'ban' ideally puts down a marker for any future organisations planning to use future UEFA events for the furtherance of their political and / or social messages.
AH: "If you take one gesture and provide it, then what happens when England play Scotland, and Scotland wants an independence support gesture to be provided?" - that's very different and clearly IS political. They are banning the rainbow thing so as not to offend a nation that has recently introduced a homophobic law, similar to one we once had that had/has LibFac disciples in contortions for decades.
// but what's going on in Hungary is oppression //
Anyone? Hungary is to vote on legislation which would outlaw the promotion of transgenderism and alternative sexual orientations to children. The main legislation is structured primarily at preventing paedophiles and will create a searchable, photographic register of all child molesters in the country, increasing sentences, and banning them from multiple occupations which might bring them into contact with children, such as jobs on sports teams, at beaches, and zoos. It also bans the teaching of alternate sexual orientation to pre pubescent children in schools or places of worship and makes such teachings the responsibility of parents and legal guardians. Why does Germany object to this? Are they advising the offenders to move there? I though that was our gig.
Anyone? Hungary is to vote on legislation which would outlaw the promotion of transgenderism and alternative sexual orientations to children. The main legislation is structured primarily at preventing paedophiles and will create a searchable, photographic register of all child molesters in the country, increasing sentences, and banning them from multiple occupations which might bring them into contact with children, such as jobs on sports teams, at beaches, and zoos. It also bans the teaching of alternate sexual orientation to pre pubescent children in schools or places of worship and makes such teachings the responsibility of parents and legal guardians. Why does Germany object to this? Are they advising the offenders to move there? I though that was our gig.
John Barnes says racism is not a footballing issue, see here:
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To some extent, I agree with him. Most of the so-called racist insults are always aimed at players after a poor result. This results in some players receiving "racist abuse" on social media, but I don't think it is racial abuse. I think it is just anger, frustration and annoyance from the fans which is then capitalised on by the media.
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To some extent, I agree with him. Most of the so-called racist insults are always aimed at players after a poor result. This results in some players receiving "racist abuse" on social media, but I don't think it is racial abuse. I think it is just anger, frustration and annoyance from the fans which is then capitalised on by the media.
TTT - // They are banning the rainbow thing so as not to offend a nation that has recently introduced a homophobic law, similar to one we once had that had/has LibFac disciples in contortions for decades. //
You don't actually know that for a fact.
It is easy to assume the position of UEFA and then criticize them for it, but that does not make your criticism fair or valid.
If, as I believe, they are refusing to start down a path of allowing any and all political / social gestures to clutter up their events with a blanket ban from the start, then that does not indicate that they are appeasing anyone.
You don't actually know that for a fact.
It is easy to assume the position of UEFA and then criticize them for it, but that does not make your criticism fair or valid.
If, as I believe, they are refusing to start down a path of allowing any and all political / social gestures to clutter up their events with a blanket ban from the start, then that does not indicate that they are appeasing anyone.
10Clarion - // Most of the so-called racist insults are always aimed at players after a poor result. This results in some players receiving "racist abuse" on social media, but I don't think it is racial abuse. I think it is just anger, frustration and annoyance from the fans which is then capitalised on by the media. //
If I was a player being abused by complete strangers, I don't think I'd take the time to analyse their thinking and motivation, decide that they are simply 'angry' and then give them a swerve for racially abusing me.
I don't think that's how racism works.
If I was a player being abused by complete strangers, I don't think I'd take the time to analyse their thinking and motivation, decide that they are simply 'angry' and then give them a swerve for racially abusing me.
I don't think that's how racism works.
Politics might not have a place in sport but humans are humans. Politics gets everywhere.
It's why the United Kingdom doesn't get any points in Eurovision anymore.
It's why Billie Jean King played that match against Bobby Riggs.
It's why John Carlos and Tommie Smith raised their fists.
But UEFA isn't indicating a support of homophobic laws in the same way that if you don't fly a Pride flag you support mistreatment of LGBT people.
Also - I think the whole 'taking the knee' thing is admirable, but at some point it has to be over.
It's why the United Kingdom doesn't get any points in Eurovision anymore.
It's why Billie Jean King played that match against Bobby Riggs.
It's why John Carlos and Tommie Smith raised their fists.
But UEFA isn't indicating a support of homophobic laws in the same way that if you don't fly a Pride flag you support mistreatment of LGBT people.
Also - I think the whole 'taking the knee' thing is admirable, but at some point it has to be over.
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