I Know How To Stop The Pandemic And Restore Sanity In Two Easy Steps.

[dave50]

Stop all testing and everyone stop using the NHS track and trace app. Result equals end of the pandemic.

[Zacs-Master]

It’s lovely that the remedial class kids have somewhere to air their views tho, isn’t it!

[webbo3]

Best answer for Jim @8:30

[Sunk]

May 3rd 1,500 daily cases.
July 3rd 27,000 daily cases.

Yep we have that virus well and truly beat.

[naomi24]

Daily cases rising - but the vast majority by far recover - and that's what tends to be forgotten when figures are being bandied around. It's all very well for those on guaranteed incomes to carry on hiding but the rest have to earn a living to pay their mortgages and feed their families. If they don't who's going to keep them? Those on guaranteed incomes? I doubt it. For them life MUST go on.

[webbo3]

sunk
\\May 3rd 1,500 daily cases.
July 3rd 27,000 daily cases.

Yep we have that virus well and truly beat.//

How many deaths?

[Sunk]

dave50

You seem to be implying that we are only seeing more cases because we are looking for more. Do you have any evidence that more people are being tested since May 3rd? The increase in detections is today 18 times what we were finding 2 months ago. Unless testing has increased by a factor of x18, it does not account for the rapidly rising figures.

[jim360]

//Daily cases rising - but the vast majority by far recover - and that's what tends to be forgotten ... //

That's never been forgotten, or certainly not by me. On the other hand, the more cases there are, the more significant the minority is that doesn't recover.

[naomi24]

Sunk, so infection figures are rising. We are not going to put a stop to infection completely, but most people recover and that's what we appear to be failing to acknowledge.

[naomi24]

//the more cases there are, the more significant the minority is that doesn't recover.//

Nothing like stating the obvious. And there's me thinking you were big on statistics.

[burlyshirley]

I agree with you dave, but the usual scaremongers are out in force on here ! If people still want to isolate, let them, but let others who want to get on with things, do so ! I personally can't wait to drop my mask in the bin ...

[naomi24]

Nor me, shirley.

[jim360]

Well, stating the obvious seems worth it in this case, since you seem convinced that "the majority recovers" is a point worth remaking, as if it's anything new. Of course they do. But the more cases there are, then, in general, the more serious cases there are, and that's still something to be concerned about.

At the moment, it seems that the link between cases and serious cases is much weaker than it was six months ago, which is heartening. Will that still be the picture six months hence? And, even if it is, is it still any reason to let the disease run rampant from now on?

[Sunk]

naomi24
I did not suggest stopping infections completely. But we should be concerned that they are rising rapidly, by a factor of x18 in just 8 weeks. That should not be just ignored as some of you are suggesting.

We have not run out of vulnerable people. As the weather gets colder and wetter in winter, then more people will develop respiratory problems. If there is still a high incidence of covid transmissions then, we will see the death rate rise also.

[ToraToraTora]

we can say that the link between no of cases and hospitalisation and death has clearly been broken by vaccinations. I do think that testing should be mostly stopped though, I don't see how it helps. I also agree to some extent that the daily reporting is feeding the jobsworth types that are loving this.

[naomi24]

Jim, Or conversely since the vast majority of those who die are elderly and very often suffering from pre-existing life-threatening conditions, is it rational to continue to trash the economy and keep life for the rest on hold indefinitely as you seem to want to do? If the disease does ‘run rampant’ now, it’s survivable for most. We have to learn to live with it.

[naomi24]

Sunk, we shouldn’t be overly concerned with infection rates because for most people Covid is not a killer. We should be counting death rates - and as a percentage of a population of going on 70 million, right now they are negligible. Although that probably sounds harsh it’s a simple fact of life.

[Sunk]

// for most people Covid is not a killer. We should be counting death rates - and as a percentage of a population of going on 70 million, right now they are negligible //

We could have said that last July 2020.
19 deaths on the July 5th last year. We thought we had it beat, and we eased lockdown too quickly. 6 months later 1800 were dying daily.

Daily death rate today is 27. We should be watchful we don’t let it get out of control again and get another winter peak.

[jim360]

It's easy to attack a position if you don't understand it. I have no desires to "trash the economy", or to keep life on hold. Lockdowns are miserable and lonely, and such a blunt instrument should absolutely be avoided if at all possible. Still, if the cost of "living with it" is to allow far more people to die sooner than is necessary, I don't see how that can ever be a cost worth paying.

[bobbinwales]

Why do people repeat the phrase ' trashing the economy' because we are not. Shops are open, pubs, Wimbledon., theme parks, house building...

[naomi24]

//It's easy to attack a position if you don't understand it.//

And no one understands anything as well as you do, Jim - except you're so often wrong.