Kebabs For Jabs?

[Bobbisox1]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/kebabs-jabs-young-people-offered-24660998

Why should they be ‘bribed’ to get the vaccine, if they haven’t had it !it means they don’t want it !!!
And that’s surely where it should stop?

[jno]

when does "incentive" become "bribery" though, pixie?

[pixie374]

With healthcare, jno.

[pixie374]

Or being excluded from making your own legal decision.

[bobbinwales]

What if they died? How much personal responsibility would you be prepared to take, if you persuaded... an ABer, say... to have a vaccine and they died? All, none, some?
This is healthcare.

Nonsense point. Chances of dying from the vaccinne are almost nil. Chances of being very ill or dying from covid are much higher. Might as well say how can vaccinators live with themselves knowing they could be injecting death.

[bobbinwales]

Just to make it clear first paragraph was pixies quote not mine

//What if they died? How much personal responsibility would you be prepared to take, if you persuaded... an ABer, say... to have a vaccine and they died? All, none, some?
This is healthcare//

Nonsense point. Chances of dying from the vaccinne are almost nil. Chances of being very ill or dying from covid are much higher. Might as well say how can vaccinators live with themselves knowing they could be injecting death.

[pixie374]

It isn't, because it can and does happen. I didn't say it would... I said "if". What is your answer, then?

[bobbinwales]

My answer to what?

[pixie374]

Oh blimey. If, you managed to persuade a reluctant ABer to have a vaccine- and they died. How much personal responsibility would you be willing to take?

[jno]

encouraging people to protect their health and that of others is just what I would call a good incentive, pixie. Paying them to do something wrong (not necessarily illegal) might be a bribe; paying them to do the right thing shouldn't be.

[bobbinwales]

Are you confusing persuade with force?
What if you failed to try to persuade a friend or someone to have the vaccine and they died of covid?

[pixie374]

Bobbin, will you answer or not?
Pizza, kebabs are all attempts at bribery, jno. If they aren't doing it for themselves, and are persuaded by a pizza.... there is something wrong with taking advantage of that.

[pixie374]

I wouldn't try to persuade or dissuade. That's the point. You can only give people information, and opinions amongst friends. That's all.
But, your answer?

[jno]

if you think it's in the wider interests of society that people should get the jabs (I do but I understand that others may not), then it's worth a kebab. Why people get them - To protect granny? So I can go on holiday? So I can have a pizza? - doesn't matter.

[ummmm]

They need much more vaccination centres to start with. What's the point of giving a Northampton postcode and then being giving an option to get it done in London?.

[pixie374]

I think it does matter. Healthcare decisions- and risks- should be between the patient and GP, if necessary. Not online opinions... individuals aren't all just statistics.
It's fair enough for an energy company, or a bank account, or something guaranteed to be physically harmless.
But, if there is even the slightest risk to health or life- nobody else should be deciding what is "better".

[New Judge]

//...even if it was a million which I doubt very much//

When the settled residency scheme was launched in March 2019 for EU citizens who want to remain in the EU after Brexit, it was estimated there were 3.7m EU citizens living in the UK. It was thought around 3m of them would apply for settled status. By 31st May 2021 over 5.6m applications had been received. It is believed that there are still many EU citizens living here who have not applied under the scheme (hence the calls to extend the deadline) and estimates put the total at between 6m and 8m. So the government's estimates of those who actually are here are out by at least 2m and that figure may be as much as 4.3m. This, of course, is just EU citizens. It does not account for those who have arrived who are not from the EU.

At present the figures the government publish have shown that some 38.3m people have had both jabs. They say this represents 72.5% of the adult population, so the adult population figure used must be 52.8m. If that figure is 2m out and is actually 54.8mm then the takeup is only 69.8%. If the error is at the upper end of the suspected range and the adult population is actually 57.1m, then the takeup is only 67.0%. At the current rate of first dose takeup it takes over three weeks to vaccinate 1m people.

So these figures are significant and demonstrates that the general malaise exhibited about not knowing or caring how many people are in the country is irresponsible to say the least.

[bednobs]

i reckon there must be a fair whack of people whove been meaning to get round to it, and who now might do so because some sort of voucher is involved - those people are not being bribe, just nudged

[Ellipsis]

A better "What if they died?" question is "What if they died through eating the pizza?" ... as that's more likely than dying from the jab itself.

[pixie374]

"More likely" is just totally discounting individuals though. It has happened to "some".

[NeedToKnowPlease]

If a kebab is going to sway their opinion then they're probably not smart enough to decide if they should or shouldn't have it in the first place.