Trump's Deal With The Taliban

[sp1814]

My understanding is that last year Donald Trump signed a deal with the Taliban to leave Afghanistan by May 1st 2021.

This was delayed until now by Biden - so why isn't the previous American administration sharing the blame for what's currently going on in the country?

Yes this happened on Biden's watch, but are we all supposed to forget who lit the touch paper?

(Terrible mixed metaphors).

[Spicerack]

If he had talked to people around here like that, they'd have asked him to pick a window.....before he finished the first sentence.

[sp1814]

TTT

I see.

Interesting point.

So would you say that if Biden had completed the withdrawal that the previous administration already started, he could’ve portioned out the blame?

At the moment he comes across as weaselly (is that spelled right?) and weak, but if the withdrawal had followed Trump’s schedule, could he have then justifiable passed the buck?

Not sure he could really.

[ToraToraTora]

sp: "So would you say that if Biden had completed the withdrawal that the previous administration already started, he could’ve portioned out the blame? " - no it's still his call but he could at least have claimed he was following what was in place, that's why I used the word "reinforced" in my answer above.

[Ellipsis]

It's 100% Biden's mess as he was not beholden to Trump's commitment.

That's not to say that Trump would have made a better job of it. We'll never know.

At least Biden's leaving his troops there to the end. Almost certainly, Trump would have taken his troops out and left everybody else there. America First.

[Togo]

//Almost certainly, Trump would have taken his troops out and left everybody else there.//

If you are indeed, seriously, looking at the unfolding horror show in Afgahnistan then you will be aware that Biden defied his Generals in the field who "strongly advised him" not to abruptly pull out the military or there would be chaos. The Trump withdrawal plans saw all non combatants and already identified, and accredited, civilians out before the military. You are looking through the wrong end of the telescope when you let TDS(Trump Derangement Syndrome) guide your judgements.

[sp1814]

Togo

Where did you get that text from?

[Togo]

My head sp. You know what head is I presume.

[sp1814]

Ha ha…sure, okay.

Kinda looks like Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V though.

[Ellipsis]

The idea that Trump would have listened to anyone, rather than done his own thing, has no precedent.

[Stickybottle]

Biden is not to blame for anything imo
As yesterday showed he has decided that the country is not worth one more American soldier’s life but sadly 13 of them paid the price
I do not blame him one iota for taking the action he has
As he said and I keep repeating it is for Afghans to now fight for their country

[Stickybottle]

Togo
My head sp. You know what head is I presume

Must admit that made me giggle in a puerile schoolboy way !

[ToraToraTora]

Yes SB, he's doing the correct thing I support his action and Indeed Trump for starting the ball rolling Things have gone wrong and he's the man in charge and inevitably he's getting flack but really I think you are right the whole sorry shower is worth no more western lives.

[ichkeria]

We of course should not.
It doesn’t exonerate Biden of course
Unfortunately the US has closed in on itself : this is a disease that affects both the main US parties and reflects public opinion.
It’s pathetic, shortsighted and potentially disastrous

[Jackdaw33]

I don't think anyone thinks Biden was wrong; it's how he went about it, not getting civilians out first.

[sevenOP]

Spicerack: "He should impeach himself."

Nice one Spicer! genuine LoL

Would be as applicable to Bush 2, Obama, Trump and Biden of course.

Had a listen to tonight's Any Questions ? on Radio 4, and the incorrect nonsense spouted by Dan Norris, Labour, the "they will now have a base gain to plot terrorist attacks", when we 'know' (after torture!) that 9/11 was planned in Hamburg, finalised in Florida while Bin Laden was receiving dialysis in Pakistan ( still, must justify that Afghanistan Invasion 'because' nonsense), then Mark Harper, Conservative, claiming the first thing the Taliban did when they took over was release 5000 terrorists, when in fact that was arranged over a year and a half ago...
"The February 2020 peace deal signed by the Trump administration and the Taliban pushed the Afghan government to release up to 5,000 prisoners, "
https://news.yahoo.com/prison-power-taliban-leaders-jail-110000033.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALB1Pzrhu67ZfEx6O5i85LWzswo8zdjT-QNSX_dmnVTzVqFLABlrO_re755YhkuzYM5Mpvf0GHQPOE_yk6Raf1sfOAlprxLJlF0l6qpmqs-U2gv4l4Iia7UPi5Fuy8YlNQcsx3U6KAT1mkjypiSjf-8f01LzxGBKCsglrcRPE0fk

It is not surprising people misunderstand when politicians misinform them.

[ichkeria]

I think he was wrong

So you’re wrong :-)

Many of the people cheerleading the withdrawal will be the same people wailing and gnashing their teeth then we’re mopping up limbs in future terrorist raids
It’s a small world we cannot turn our backs on

[sevenOP]

"Many of the people cheerleading the withdrawal will be the same people wailing and gnashing their teeth then we’re mopping up limbs in future terrorist raids"

And just like SARS-CoV-2, we may never find out where they originated either.

[sp1814]

Togo

If you’re coming onto me, I have to stop you right there as I’m very happily married.

I’m sure with your ready wit you’ll find someone, but you might want to tone it down a bit.

It doesn’t read well.

[Togo]

//As he said and I keep repeating it is for Afghans to now fight for their country//

Then why are we intent in "getting them all out?"

In the last 18 months, when the previous administration in the US was making arrangements, no US or civilian support staff were killed or targeted by a terrorist organisation. An accord had been reached to withdraw peacefully and carefully, ensuring that the Afghans themselves were gradually handed the reigns of power and responsibility. Biden sought bragging rights in rushing the process before he is impeached( he will be). It was easy to tell the military to get out, he is head honcho, they do what he says. When the senior military personnel queried the directives and asked about the kit and infrastructure they were told to do it pronto and shut the whatsit up. The Taliban are now the temporary owners of squillions of dollars worth of hi tech kit that the Chinese and Russians are currently analysing and copying in order to sell to every tin pot band of murderous psychos that hate the Western civilisations. In fact the Taliban have an Apache helicopter gunship capability that is greater than that of 85% of all the World's legitimate governments. The Afghan civil servants, movers, and shakers, fled with as much as they could carry as soon as Biden gave the order to pull out now, no delay. They were expecting a controlled transitional period that included Taliban elders and influencers a guided tour of the control room. Just another example of the Biden dead hand on policy. Whether foreign or in house.