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Is This The End.
Or just the beginning of the end for this Tory Govt. With Sir Keir Starmers excellent speech at yesterdays conference. Is the tide now starting to turn on the "Clear blue water" for the Cons,after a botched up Brexit.
From shortages of Food, fuel, Building materials,Truck drivers to Turkeys followed by footwear,
to fruit and veg, beer and even bottled water. in the run up to Christmas,
Will the voters at the next G/E feel they can ever trust the Cons again...(end of..)
From shortages of Food, fuel, Building materials,Truck drivers to Turkeys followed by footwear,
to fruit and veg, beer and even bottled water. in the run up to Christmas,
Will the voters at the next G/E feel they can ever trust the Cons again...(end of..)
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No.
Just becauase Keir Starmer makes a speech which improves on his previous performances - not difficult since he could only ever go up, does not begin to address the complete stranglehold on the party still held by the far left.
Until he is actually able to get the entire party behind his views - which is impossible, and then complete the herculean task of eradicating the image of the party to the electorate, which is probably equally impossible, then Labour have less than no hope of ever being in govnerment again.
Just becauase Keir Starmer makes a speech which improves on his previous performances - not difficult since he could only ever go up, does not begin to address the complete stranglehold on the party still held by the far left.
Until he is actually able to get the entire party behind his views - which is impossible, and then complete the herculean task of eradicating the image of the party to the electorate, which is probably equally impossible, then Labour have less than no hope of ever being in govnerment again.
'Sir Keir Starmer faced repeated heckles as he opened up about his late mother during his first in-person conference speech as Labour leader.
Starmer arrived on stage in Brighton to cheers and wasted no time in attacking the Tories for their handling of coronavirus and the current petrol crisis.
But he then moved into more personal territory, speaking about his mother’s career as a nurse, as well as her difficulties with Still’s disease.
The Labour leader said his “family life taught me about the dignity of work and the nobility of care”.
After discussing how his father worked as a toolmaker, the Labour leader told the party conference about nurses keeping his mother alive in hospital as she lived with Still’s disease.
Hecklers repeatedly shouted at him as he spoke, with cries of “shame”'.
Really cringe-making stuff, & I would have thought you'd have been joining the shame-shouters gully, not praising him
Starmer arrived on stage in Brighton to cheers and wasted no time in attacking the Tories for their handling of coronavirus and the current petrol crisis.
But he then moved into more personal territory, speaking about his mother’s career as a nurse, as well as her difficulties with Still’s disease.
The Labour leader said his “family life taught me about the dignity of work and the nobility of care”.
After discussing how his father worked as a toolmaker, the Labour leader told the party conference about nurses keeping his mother alive in hospital as she lived with Still’s disease.
Hecklers repeatedly shouted at him as he spoke, with cries of “shame”'.
Really cringe-making stuff, & I would have thought you'd have been joining the shame-shouters gully, not praising him
I hadn’t intended on watching but I ended up doing so.
I thought it was a good speech - apart from the personal guff that seems to be an inevitable part of it these days.
It was actually his FIRST speech due to the COVID restrictions
As for the heckling, it was pretty pathetic and desperate stuff and did him a huge favour as it was drowned out by spontaneous applause and put down very cleverly “I normally get heckled by the Tories on a Wednesday!”
Etc
As for the tide turning well it already has, if you consider that it’s generally felt that a Tory majority of 80 would be cut to about 20 in any immediate election.
But to win a majority Labour would have to outperform Blair in 1997, so that’s a tall order. Coalition may be the only way.
But crucially Sir Keir IS wresting the party back from Corbyn and co. Corbyn will probably not even get reinstated as a Labour MP.
I thought it was a good speech - apart from the personal guff that seems to be an inevitable part of it these days.
It was actually his FIRST speech due to the COVID restrictions
As for the heckling, it was pretty pathetic and desperate stuff and did him a huge favour as it was drowned out by spontaneous applause and put down very cleverly “I normally get heckled by the Tories on a Wednesday!”
Etc
As for the tide turning well it already has, if you consider that it’s generally felt that a Tory majority of 80 would be cut to about 20 in any immediate election.
But to win a majority Labour would have to outperform Blair in 1997, so that’s a tall order. Coalition may be the only way.
But crucially Sir Keir IS wresting the party back from Corbyn and co. Corbyn will probably not even get reinstated as a Labour MP.
What you appear to fail to grasp gulli, is that governments are not normally elected on your perceptions -
Because the Conservatives are so rubbish, it makes Labour better and better, on a connected scale, like a Swiss weather house.
That's not how it works.
Labour would have to alter out of all conceivable recognition to stand a ghost of a chance at the next election - and that is simply not going to happen.
The Left retains too much power, and they will sabotage their own party rather than adopt the pragmatic alternations they need to be seen as even approaching being electable.
Because the Conservatives are so rubbish, it makes Labour better and better, on a connected scale, like a Swiss weather house.
That's not how it works.
Labour would have to alter out of all conceivable recognition to stand a ghost of a chance at the next election - and that is simply not going to happen.
The Left retains too much power, and they will sabotage their own party rather than adopt the pragmatic alternations they need to be seen as even approaching being electable.
Will the voters feel they can ever trust the cons again. Boris, Covid, covid is unlikely to reach the UK? Boris shakes hands. Boris, We will beat this mugger to the ground within 12 weeks? NEARLY 2 YEARS ON. Matt Hancock, The NHS is open for normal business? 6 million waiting and counting. Matt, there is no shortage of PPE? Boris, we will have 20k more officers? no movement on that. Boris, All Brexit problems will be ironed out within a few weeks. Any more? hundreds. Will we have a lab government naa, out of the frying pan, into the fire. We are stuck in a permanent rut, and its going to be an expensive one.
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