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Where Are The Figures For Covid Infection Rates Coming From?
When people are testing themselves at home with the lateral flow tests are they then submitting the results to the authorities, if so why? If you feel the need to isolate after the test then do it but why make the public paranoia worse by telling the whole world? There's no need, you are doing the right thing by isolating, that should be the end of it. The only figures that should matter and be made public are hospitalisations and deaths, end of. Also, I don't recall everyone running around like headless chickens when flu deaths were ruining in the tens of thousands.
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//The only people who need to be tested are those who are unwell enough to seek medical attention and only then if the symptoms they display are Covid-like so as to decide how they should be treated.//
Poeple are being tested as a preventative measure. Some employees are tested daily so as not to be unknowingly pass the virus on to colleagues or customers / patients.
I don't know how people don't understand you don't have to be unwell yourself to be a risk to others.
Poeple are being tested as a preventative measure. Some employees are tested daily so as not to be unknowingly pass the virus on to colleagues or customers / patients.
I don't know how people don't understand you don't have to be unwell yourself to be a risk to others.
//I would posit that maybe the people being tested positive come into the 99.999% of people you dont know?//
That’s not quite the correct calculation though because I didn’t say I knew nobody who tested positive yesterday. I said I know nobody who has been tested – whether positive or negative - ever. I have just read that less than one in twenty of those tested are proving positive. This means that yesterday some one million people underwent tests. Assuming the testing rate has been the same for the past couple of months this means the entire population of England could have been tested in that time. Since I was not among those tested and I know nobody who was, it must mean that some people are being tested multiple times. So why?
//I don't know how people don't understand you don't have to be unwell yourself to be a risk to others.//
I do understand that perfectly, but thanks for the clarification. So the logical conclusion to that is to test everybody every day and place those testing positive (and those who they live with or have recently been in contact with) under house arrest for whatever period is deemed necessary until they become “clean”. Then begin testing them again as soon as they are allowed out. Nothing else will have the desired effect. What I don’t understand is why anybody believes that the fannying around that is currently going on is having the slightest influence on the spread of the virus. As I said previously, a third of a million people have tested positive in the last week. Are they all self-isolating? If they are the practice needs to stop because the country cannot afford a third of a million people at a time to be inactive.
That’s not quite the correct calculation though because I didn’t say I knew nobody who tested positive yesterday. I said I know nobody who has been tested – whether positive or negative - ever. I have just read that less than one in twenty of those tested are proving positive. This means that yesterday some one million people underwent tests. Assuming the testing rate has been the same for the past couple of months this means the entire population of England could have been tested in that time. Since I was not among those tested and I know nobody who was, it must mean that some people are being tested multiple times. So why?
//I don't know how people don't understand you don't have to be unwell yourself to be a risk to others.//
I do understand that perfectly, but thanks for the clarification. So the logical conclusion to that is to test everybody every day and place those testing positive (and those who they live with or have recently been in contact with) under house arrest for whatever period is deemed necessary until they become “clean”. Then begin testing them again as soon as they are allowed out. Nothing else will have the desired effect. What I don’t understand is why anybody believes that the fannying around that is currently going on is having the slightest influence on the spread of the virus. As I said previously, a third of a million people have tested positive in the last week. Are they all self-isolating? If they are the practice needs to stop because the country cannot afford a third of a million people at a time to be inactive.
I have said previously, and it becomes increasingly relavent as time goes on -
Why are we being given statistics about Covid infections on a daily basis?
What exactly are we supposed to do with the information?
I do not recall daily updates about the fluctuations in flue infections and deaths, even though there are clear parallels between the two infections - both cause death under certain conditions, but in the main, they are nasty, but not fatal.
We are going to have to assimilate this virus into our lives for the forseeable future, and it's time we simply got on with living with it, and stop acting as though it is the Black Death.
Why are we being given statistics about Covid infections on a daily basis?
What exactly are we supposed to do with the information?
I do not recall daily updates about the fluctuations in flue infections and deaths, even though there are clear parallels between the two infections - both cause death under certain conditions, but in the main, they are nasty, but not fatal.
We are going to have to assimilate this virus into our lives for the forseeable future, and it's time we simply got on with living with it, and stop acting as though it is the Black Death.
// Why are we being given statistics about Covid infections on a daily basis? What exactly are we supposed to do with the information?//
we are meant to think - - - oo I havent had a vacca - and I must !
the rates of infection seem very high - 500 in 100 000
some goon here is saying that since a proportion of hospital admissions are vaccinated ( breakthro cases ) then it doesnt work
we are meant to think - - - oo I havent had a vacca - and I must !
the rates of infection seem very high - 500 in 100 000
some goon here is saying that since a proportion of hospital admissions are vaccinated ( breakthro cases ) then it doesnt work
//I do understand that perfectly, but thanks for the clarification.//
If you understand that then why would you say only the ill need to be tested?
//and those who they live with or have recently been in contact with) under house arrest //
No only those they live with have to self isolate
//Since I was not among those tested and I know nobody who was, it must mean that some people are being tested multiple times. So why?//
As I said many employers request staff to do daily tests so of course they are tested multiple times
If you understand that then why would you say only the ill need to be tested?
//and those who they live with or have recently been in contact with) under house arrest //
No only those they live with have to self isolate
//Since I was not among those tested and I know nobody who was, it must mean that some people are being tested multiple times. So why?//
As I said many employers request staff to do daily tests so of course they are tested multiple times
Odd you know noone who admits to being tested nrejudge. Maybe they know you'll think they were daft so don't tell you. Idont know anyone who hasn't been tested either for work holiday because they have symptoms or got pinged or because they want to be sure not to selfishly unknowingly infect vunerable friends and family .its called being socially responsible.
Nearly 90% of the population have been double vaccinated so for the vast majority, if they do get covid they will not be in hospital or die, so why go to such extreme lengths to try and avoid infecting people? If they do catch it, they will feel ill then get better and their immune system will be boosted.
NJ seems to be assuming that only people with symptoms that might indicate Covid are taking tests. However the reality is that nearly all school children are taking regular lateral flow tests and many employers are requiring their staff to take them too. Indeed the Government has been encouraging everyone to take twice weekly lateral flow tests; I've been using them every Tuesday and Friday for the past 6 months and reporting my (so far negative) results online every time.
//NJ seems to be assuming that only people with symptoms that might indicate Covid are taking tests.//
No, I'm not doing that Chris. I know that hundreds of thousands of tests are being undertaken on people with no symptoms. The question is "why"? Continually testing the same people over and over again is pointless.
No, I'm not doing that Chris. I know that hundreds of thousands of tests are being undertaken on people with no symptoms. The question is "why"? Continually testing the same people over and over again is pointless.
What exactly are we supposed to do with the information?
letter in the Times - which I have copied out in your honour Andie
Dear Sir, Each day we are told how many have died within 28 d of a positive Covid test. Every day hundreds if not thousands ( writes red sen coroner of Manchester, one John Pollard) of elderly and vulnerable people are admitted to Hospital with myriad complaints, many of which will sadly prove fatal. These people are presumably 'tested' on or before admission so when they die within four weeks they become a statistic. even if asymptomatic of covid. We should be looking at case where Covid appears in Part 1 of the medical certificate of the cause of death where it is the prime or underlying cause. Anything else is a distortion
( prof John Pollard, Ret sen Coroner, Toft Gn Chesh
well it makes a change from the usual endless guff from the usual suspects innit ?
letter in the Times - which I have copied out in your honour Andie
Dear Sir, Each day we are told how many have died within 28 d of a positive Covid test. Every day hundreds if not thousands ( writes red sen coroner of Manchester, one John Pollard) of elderly and vulnerable people are admitted to Hospital with myriad complaints, many of which will sadly prove fatal. These people are presumably 'tested' on or before admission so when they die within four weeks they become a statistic. even if asymptomatic of covid. We should be looking at case where Covid appears in Part 1 of the medical certificate of the cause of death where it is the prime or underlying cause. Anything else is a distortion
( prof John Pollard, Ret sen Coroner, Toft Gn Chesh
well it makes a change from the usual endless guff from the usual suspects innit ?
well there are times when a letter starts well,
and then you think - oh he would say that wouldnt he
but I decided not to stop copying
Nothing so far is too hard is it?
You asked the question- so it is an answer, but a coroner would say "rely on the wonderful system I helped to perpetuate" wouldnt he? The look back method of research in death certification has its own well known drawbacks - - they dont know what they are measuring altho the people they are counting ARE dead.
and then you think - oh he would say that wouldnt he
but I decided not to stop copying
Nothing so far is too hard is it?
You asked the question- so it is an answer, but a coroner would say "rely on the wonderful system I helped to perpetuate" wouldnt he? The look back method of research in death certification has its own well known drawbacks - - they dont know what they are measuring altho the people they are counting ARE dead.
// being undertaken on people with no symptoms. The question is "why"? //
oh dear - infectious diseases 101
They suddenly found in testing normals that there was a run in time when you werent ill BUT could and did spread it
and this had NEVER been described before - it has of course. Defoe noted in 1680 that in the 1665 epidemic it was obvious that the walking well were spreading the disease. He was the one who also noted that a disease got worse as an epidemic progressed
and small pox - the disease started in the 20th cent cases with the worst head ache the patient had ever experienced ( 100%) who retired to bed BUT they had already managed to infect outside cases
when Louis XV was dying from small pox that is! the court was told by a candle being waved in a window ( 'THE window') of the kings death and it was seen by the Dauphin in another part of the palace sort 50 y away
oh dear - infectious diseases 101
They suddenly found in testing normals that there was a run in time when you werent ill BUT could and did spread it
and this had NEVER been described before - it has of course. Defoe noted in 1680 that in the 1665 epidemic it was obvious that the walking well were spreading the disease. He was the one who also noted that a disease got worse as an epidemic progressed
and small pox - the disease started in the 20th cent cases with the worst head ache the patient had ever experienced ( 100%) who retired to bed BUT they had already managed to infect outside cases
when Louis XV was dying from small pox that is! the court was told by a candle being waved in a window ( 'THE window') of the kings death and it was seen by the Dauphin in another part of the palace sort 50 y away
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