Austria Vaccine Mandate

[MrsCheese]

I am surprised no one has posted about Austria's decision to not only lockdown Vaccinated and unvaccinated, they intend to make vaccinations mandatory for everyone. What does everyone think about this?

[naomi24]

Atheist, you can unplug a seatbelt and remove it. The same can’t be said of a vaccine. Why is that difficult to understand?

[pixie374]

I've had two... not entitled to a booster. But- my only information, is a handful of direct experience from people with it, plus whatever I have seen online. I know which sources I trust more, but also know, no humans are infallible... I have done no independent research myself, literally only read what others say, and even officials or scientists... I can't blame anyone for not having 100 % confidence.

[douglas9401]

My only problem with the whole situation is the lack of clarity as to what the end game is.

Many large sticks and a couple of baby carrots on offer in my wee bit hill and glen. We're already being softened up for Nikki and The Dentists latest 'strategy' next week, which looks like more of the same for no reason or result.

The time will come when we just have to 'man up' and get on with it.

[Peter Pedant]

// Lottie, the unvaccinated pose a risk only to themselves. The vaccination is not a magic potion that prevents people from carrying the virus so I think you’re as much at risk from the vaccinated as you are from the unvaccinated.//
this shows screaming illogic in all its forms

Lottie, the unvaccinated pose a risk only to themselves. - nope they can infect but hardly kill those vaccinated

The vaccination is not a magic potion that prevents people from carrying the virus - no they carry less for less time- you can show this by sequential testing.

//so I think you’re as much at risk from the vaccinated as you are from the unvaccinated// nope - doesnt matter what you think - testing has shown you are NOT as at risk from vaccinated

but heigh ho - so what? this is AB on a saturday after noon with not much to do....

[New Judge]

I'm not in favour of compulsory vaccination. As I said, it is currently illegal in the UK anyway. However.....

The UK government (along with many others) has seen fit to impose some of the most Draconian restrictions on liberty this country has ever seen (and included in that are some which are harsher than during wartime). Nobody knows whether or not these had any effect on the spread of the disease. Everybody says that they must have, but there was no control to see if this is true or not. But let's assume they did have a beneficial effect. It is clear now that vaccination is managing to prevent the most serious effects of the disease from occurring in many. Despite the high level of infections that are evident, hospitalisations and deaths remain relatively low. Those who are vaccinated stand a far greater chance of remaining out of hospital and surviving the virus. This means that those who are not vaccinated don't have that enjoyment.

The original aim of the lockdown measures was to "save lives and protect the NHS." Presumably any further Draconian measures will have the same aim. However, those who are vaccinated stand a far smaller chance of burdening the NHS so there really is far less need to impose these measures on them. So in my view, if more restrictions are needed "to protect the NHS" they should be targeted towards the people who are most likely to trouble it, rather than others who are less likely to do so. In short, if anyone is to be subject to further restrictions it should be the unvaccinated (with appropriate exceptions for those who cannot have the vaccine for genuine medical reasons).

[pixie374]

//testing has shown you are NOT as at risk from vaccinated//

PP, would you rather sit next to a vaccinated person with covid, or an unvaccinated one, without it?

[naomi24]

PP, do try to understand what is written. Sad to say google can’t help you with that. You’re on your own.

[New Judge]

My only problem with the whole situation is the lack of clarity as to what the end game is.

This seems to be the government’s planned end-game, doggie:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10198985/Operation-Rampdown-Codename-revealed-Government-papers-dismantle-key-Covid-measures-year.html

//…would you rather sit next to a vaccinated person with covid, or an unvaccinated one, without it?//

If I was vaccinated myself (which I am) neither would particularly bother me. I travel on buses, tubes, trains and had a couple of flights last month. I have sat next to all sorts of people on those trips as well as in restaurants, pubs and bars. Some were known to me, some not. It never occurred to me to worry about their Covid status. You’ve simply got to get on or you never will.

[pixie374]

Yes... but given the choice? It just seems odd that people quote stats for personal encounters.... as if you might just get 15% covid. When in reality, you either will or you won't.

[New Judge]

//Yes... but given the choice?//

I told you how I'd feel given the choice - I have no preference.

[pixie374]

Fair enough, it was really PP.i was asking, after his post.

[pat2604]

//so I think you’re as much at risk from the vaccinated as you are from the unvaccinated// nope - doesnt matter what you think - testing has shown you are NOT as at risk from vaccinated//

True PP. Thank you.

[pat2604]

All I know is that I spent an afternoon with a treble vaccinated friend in my home who is living and mixing with many people who are not vaccinated. And I was less safe than I thought.

[jourdain2]

I'm casting my hat into the ring with Pixie, Naomi and Burleyshirley. Pro vacc. and pro freedom. No there isn't a comparison between seatbelts and vaccination i.m.o..

[pixie374]

Only if she had it, lottie...

[andres]

There are numerous countries where a person has to have certain vaccines before they can go there. Do the anti-vaxers against covid have these vaccines or never go on holiday to any of those places?
Just wondering.

[burlyshirley]

How absolutely ridiculous to compare using a seat belt to being FORCED to have chemicals injected into your body against your will, but so typical of the poster !!

We need to get back to normal life ASAP, which I have been trying to do for an absolute age now. It is never going to go away (like the flu which also kills people), but how many more times does that need to be said, and we just have to live with it. Not everybody will catch it and not everybody who does will die - FACT !

I can't believe these covid threads are still rumbling on - enough, for crying out loud ...

[naomi24]

Lottie, you’re mistaken. Your vaccinated friend can carry it just as much as the unvaccinated. The only difference is if she contracts it she’s far more likely to survive than them. Ignore PP. He spends his life on AB contradicting me. It’s what he does.

[pat2604]

Not getting involved that Naomi. I stear clear of

[pat2604]

I stear clear. But I know what I believe!