The Orwellian Absurdity Of Logging Rapists As Female

[naomi24]

//J. K. Rowling of Harry Potter fame has once again ridden valiantly into the gender wars — this time to object to Police Scotland’s policy of recording rapes as being committed by women, should the rapist identify as female. Detective Superintendent Fil Capaldi explained that “Police Scotland requires no evidence or certification as proof of biological sex or gender identity other than a person’s self-declaration.”//

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/j-k-rowling-on-the-absurdity-of-logging-rapists-as-female/

Following her accurate declaration that only women menstruate, Joanne is once again being tarred by the twittering twits of Twitter as transphobic. Well she would be wouldn’t she?

[pixie374]

Mozz, I have no problem whatsoever with separate categories and spaces for transpeople. While I don't believe it is "usually" the aim, it would be silly to think that self-identification will never be used by the wrong people.
For trans people,use separate categories, spaces and language. That's harmless, but stop trying to take over women's. That's all.

[Mozz71]

Exactly what "language" do you mean Pixie? Pronouns?

[pixie374]

Yes, partly, as that is obviously causing a lot of confusion. They are, and always have been, sex-based, but a few want to change it to gender instead.
The problem with that, is that nobody knows anyone else's "gender", there is no way of telling, and it is irrelevant to everything and everyone except the person themselves. Once you start referring to a male as "she" or a "woman"... you get situations like my last link.
A separate group, who want to be removed from one sex, but aren't the other, obviously need to form a new one.

[Mozz71]

Sorry Pix, I disagree with that completely. Using chosen pronouns hurts nobody whatsoever, and in my opinion, refusing to address someone by their chosen pronoun is spiteful in the extreme. Trans people do not want to create a new, separate gender, they want to be accepted into the opposite one. While I accept the arguments about needing their own places, I can't get behind the creation of new pronouns for trans folk.

[naomi24]

I regard it as an accolade to a perceptive man, khandro.

[pixie374]

Ok, I'm just going to say this once, controversial or not...!

Women, gay people, anyone not white, people with disabilities, and so on... have all spent centuries having to fight for their own rights and are unfortunately used to it and still haven't succeeded yet.

But, the vast majority of transpeople, are heterosexual, middle-aged white males. The very first time they are claiming to be "victims". They are absolutely not used to standing up for their own rights to present, behave, appear how they like... and have no idea what to do, so are stereotypically aiming for bullying, silencing and invasion- quite literally.

Not only is this just stereotypical male behaviour,
But also the most extreme example of toxic masculinity you could think of.

They need to have a serious rethink, before pretending this is typically female.

[pixie374]

If there's no compromise, mozz, there's no hope. Sad, but there you go.

[pixie374]

There already are new pronouns... I didn't invent them.

[Mozz71]

//If there's no compromise, mozz, there's no hope. Sad, but there you go.//

Maybe the compromise should come from us, not them.

//There already are new pronouns... I didn't invent them.//

What new pronouns? To my knowledge, the only options are "he", "she" and "them". Have I missed something?

[pixie374]

Yes. There have been zie, zir, zim, zeir, for years.... but apparently not good enough to be used all that much.
The compromise isn't from "us" mozz... it's from women. Easy for you to not care, maybe.

[Mozz71]

Why is it only women? Transgender men also exist you know. I have no issue with the likes of Chaz Bono or Elliott Page being known as "he".

[pixie374]

Because they are the victims, mozz. No victims, no problem.
Surely, you must understand why women fought so hard to be allowed to compete in sports with each other and be allowed vulnerable spaces where they were/are legally allowed to have men not there?
Impossible to explain to a male really, but also shows how transgender males have genuinely no idea what they are claiming to identify with.

[Mozz71]

Pixie, you're beginning to sound like a toxic feminist with the whole "You're a man, you'll never understand" schtick.

Are you saying that in a female to male transition, the individual is a victim, while in a male to female, all other women are victims? It seems that however little I understand femininity, you understand the trans community even less. I have already agreed that separate spaces are needed to protect women (and trans folk themselves), but you fear words losing their meaning? Utterly ridiculous.

[pixie374]

I'm not "beginning" mozz, I have always been well aware that I can't understand how it really feels to be a man, or vv. I can only try to guess.

And no, I hadn't seen that you thought women or transpeople should still have separate spaces. It seems we agree then!

And, I think it goes without saying, that words mean things.... look at the general confusion, just on AB, when someone uses a word they don't really know the meaning of. It changes the meaning...

What do you think of the link I posted?

[Mozz71]

Well again, your link confirms what I said previously about trans athletes needing their own competitions apart from cis competitors. Fundamentally, we agree on matters of protecting females from the violent minorities, or those who seek to gain an unfair advantage. I just don't think we'll ever agree on the ownership of specific pronouns.

[Deskdiary]

I’d love to see my younger brother’s reaction if he was told being gay is a mental illness; he’s enormous, built like a brick outhouse, has played rugby for most of his life (at a much better standard than I ever did) and came out 30 years ago when he was 16.

Picking up on SP’s point, nobody would ever look at him and think “I reckon he’s gay”.

However, this thread was about JKR stating facts - and she has stated facts.

Biological sex is immutable.

I have zero problem with people choosing to transition - if they feel they need to and they’re being true to themselves, then fair play to them.

But, and it’s a very big but, I simply cannot accept that Barry from accounts who decides to transition to a woman is an actual woman - it may be his interpretation of what a woman is, but he will never actually be a woman, and no amount of browbeating by the trans lobby will ever change the fact that biological men can become biological women. Because they can’t.

[pixie374]

Well, that's a start, and potentially a compromise....
The reasons I object are-
That it confuses people. And they start to believe and treat a transgender male as a woman. And let's be honest, nobody does, or cares about gender, we only go by sex.

And secondly, just in your own opinion, is there any reason why a man who "feels different" from others... should or does feel like a woman?
Wouldn't it be better to allow people to be as they are, without them feeling they must be "the opposite sex"?
What is actually causing that.... before we start sterilising them?

[pixie374]

^ to mozz

[Mozz71]

In all honesty, no I don't. I'm a straight guy who doesn't feel that way, so I cannot know how that feels, but because I don't understand it, it doesn't mean I don't have sympathy for their cause. I mean, I don't get how a man could be sexually attracted to another man, but I accept that gay people should be treated the same as anyone else. Understanding and accepting are two separate things.

[pixie374]

Agree.... but I'm asking really, whether we are actually treating these people the right way? Yes, it's easy. But it's also a first, to allow people to diagnose their own mental health, whether they can possibly know or not, and give them life changing treatment, for something they can never achieve? Even ignoring the outer problems,is that what you would do?