It's Getting More Mental By The Day..........

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60080080
...leaving aside the whole mask effectiveness thing, why would you turn a plane around and inconvenience all the passenger for one dissenter? Just deal with it at the destination!

[Sqad]

I agree TTT.
Bolshy, drunk, not abiding by Site Rules .

I would have opened the cabin doors above the Atlantic and give her a push.

[andy-hughes]

I'd be inclined to agree.

The action at the departing airport was exactly the same as the action would have been at the receiving airport, escort off the plane, and banned from the airline.

[Stickybottle]

No real detail as to how unruly the woman was

I guess it is airline policy if it escalates beyond what the captain seems acceptable ?

[andy-hughes]

Actually, on reflection, if the captain judged that there was either an incident occurring, or potentially escalating into an incident, that could risk the safety of the plane and passengers, then I imagine that protocol is to turn back, rather than risk everyone's safety.

[ToraToraTora]

SB, she just refused to wear a mask, no mention of any sort of unruly behaviour. I'm amazed there wasn't a mutiny by the rest of the passengers. They were all delayed, no doubt had to book hotel rooms etc because of this selfish B.

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // SB, she just refused to wear a mask, no mention of any sort of unruly behaviour. //

I suspect that, as i said, mindful of how quickly things like this can go south, and how dangerous that can be, it is probably policy for the aircraft to return.

It's another perfect example of why alcohol should not be served in airports.

[Stickybottle]

Read your link again TTT :

The woman was sitting in first class, another passenger Steve Freeman told Miami's Local 10 news.
"There was a lot of drinking involved and I was nervous. She sat behind us in first class," he said.
"I could see the writing on the wall - they gave her a lot of warnings, so we were kind of ready for it."
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If a male passenger claims he was nervous I can only surmise that due to a lot of alcohol it escalated and the captain erred on the side of caution
I daresay there will be more detail on US websites

[Sqad]

"There was a lot of drinking involved and I was nervous. She sat behind us in first class," he said.

"I could see the writing on the wall - they gave her a lot of warnings, so we were kind of ready for it.

TTT that surely gives you an idea, with another six hours at least to suffer.

[Peter Pedant]

// I guess it is airline policy if it escalates beyond what the captain seems acceptable ?//

captains word is law as it is on a ship

Late on day - one passenger said "about time" and was booted off the flight and was told that the captain could do that
He then had to find his own way hom - and sued for the cost.
Case turned on whether the captains action was lawful

In this case - I think they charge for the returned flight - here around £25 000.

[ToraToraTora]

perlease don't turn this into another St Andy the pure thread!

[Togo]

I hour into the flight! What about the boarding and airport procedures? Was she wearing a mask then? Why not restrain and mask her up instead of turning the plane around. No name ... No picture ... No "family statement" ... Hmm. Does that mean she was a terrorist or looked like one?

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // perlease don't turn this into another St Andy the pure thread! //

It is an acknowledged fact that 'air rage' incidents, and almost any bad behaviour on any aircraft, are caused by drunken passengers.

If airlines want to stop them, they should take steps to remove the sale of alcohol from airports, who enjoy the profits, but have none of the issues they cause.

That's a fact - nothing to do with my stance on it, which is that I agree that alcohol should be banned in airports.

I'm unsure where the notion of 'purity' comes into it, nor do I especially care, so feel free not to pursue it.

[andy-hughes]

Togo - // Does that mean she was a terrorist or looked like one? //

What does a terrorist look like?

[Stickybottle]

More detail from the guy sat in front of her who says it was not just the mask
She was very abusive :

[Togo]

Ahh a proper News station reported it thus.

"CBS4 News has learned it happened about an hour into the flight when a couple, who they suspect was intoxicated, refused to comply with the mask policy and became disruptive."

Further proof to beware of the psychological nudge teams at work on your compulsory provider.

[ladybirder]

This report says she was aggressive. The couple in front of her weren't very happy.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10425537/Drunk-woman-REFUSED-mask-given-cabin-crew-London-bound-American-Airlines-flight.html

[237SJ]

Better to turn around and go back than wait until half way across the Atlantic when she tries to smash the place up.

[Mozz71]

I'd have locked her in the toilet and had her arrested at the destination.

[douglas9401]

Unfortunately the plane was going in the wrong direction for proper punishment so maybe the right solution.

Watch this space I suppose.

[calmck]

Passengers were put in hotel for free