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Neither.
Strategically, annexing Crimea was a great success.
It was primarily done to secure Russia’s naval base at Sevastopol. But it also halted NATO and EU expansion into Ukraine. That would have completed the west’s fully facing the Russians at their border. After Crimea, NATO and the EU resisted allowing Ukraine to join, it was far too dangerous for us to get into an alliance with a country that was in conflict with Russia.
Strategically, annexing Crimea was a great success.
It was primarily done to secure Russia’s naval base at Sevastopol. But it also halted NATO and EU expansion into Ukraine. That would have completed the west’s fully facing the Russians at their border. After Crimea, NATO and the EU resisted allowing Ukraine to join, it was far too dangerous for us to get into an alliance with a country that was in conflict with Russia.
Gromit; //Strategically, annexing Crimea was a great success.//
Yes, for Putin's mad dream of putting back the clock & remaking the Russian Empire, but it wasn't quite so good for Russia's "little brother" Ukraine, where Putin has been releasing (little reported in the West) havoc on them for eight years at the cost 14,000 deaths & 2 million internal displacements.
Read Apricots of Donbas by Lyuba Yakimchuk for example.
Yes, for Putin's mad dream of putting back the clock & remaking the Russian Empire, but it wasn't quite so good for Russia's "little brother" Ukraine, where Putin has been releasing (little reported in the West) havoc on them for eight years at the cost 14,000 deaths & 2 million internal displacements.
Read Apricots of Donbas by Lyuba Yakimchuk for example.
Actually what does for Ukraine’s NATO membership is the territorial uncertainty caused by the situation in Donetsk and Luhansk. These are the “frozen conflicts” that exist also in places like Georgia and Moldova and prevent those countries being seen as good candidates for NATO.
Arguably if Crimea was ceded to Russia that would solve that particular argument.
However Russia wants the Donetsk and Luhansk issues to remain unresolved by demanding a status for them which it knows no one else will accept
Arguably if Crimea was ceded to Russia that would solve that particular argument.
However Russia wants the Donetsk and Luhansk issues to remain unresolved by demanding a status for them which it knows no one else will accept
Khandro,
Russian communism failed. By 1990 everyone was fed up with it and wanted out. The Warsaw pact fell apart after each country reasserted their independence. Russia had stagnated since the second world war, and by the 90’s it was bankrupt and could no longer afford to defend its empire.
As the former Warsaw pact countries became democracies and mostly thrived, they didn’t want Russia to return so many joined NATO and the EU.
Ukraine was always going to be tricky. It was the last piece not to align with the west. NATO and the EU were wary because Russia has a very important naval base at Sebastopol. So they were hesitant at allowing Ukraine to join, and that left Ukraine in a very vulnerable position which Putin exploited.
Putin’s long term objective is to keep Ukraine neutral, and guaranteed neutrality will be top of Putin’s terms for ending the war.
Russian communism failed. By 1990 everyone was fed up with it and wanted out. The Warsaw pact fell apart after each country reasserted their independence. Russia had stagnated since the second world war, and by the 90’s it was bankrupt and could no longer afford to defend its empire.
As the former Warsaw pact countries became democracies and mostly thrived, they didn’t want Russia to return so many joined NATO and the EU.
Ukraine was always going to be tricky. It was the last piece not to align with the west. NATO and the EU were wary because Russia has a very important naval base at Sebastopol. So they were hesitant at allowing Ukraine to join, and that left Ukraine in a very vulnerable position which Putin exploited.
Putin’s long term objective is to keep Ukraine neutral, and guaranteed neutrality will be top of Putin’s terms for ending the war.
Russia is in no position to demand anything at the moment:
Their most recent list of demands:
No NATO - which is easy
No “heavy weapons” - if that means just nuclear then that’s also easy
“Guarantees for the Russian language” which is a nonsense but maybe a sign of desperation
“Denazification” - another nonsense. But ought to be easy too :-)
“Cede Crimea” - not going to happen fjr the dièsera me future
“Agree to independent status for Donetsk and Luhansk” - second word there is “off”
All a smokescreen for now
Their most recent list of demands:
No NATO - which is easy
No “heavy weapons” - if that means just nuclear then that’s also easy
“Guarantees for the Russian language” which is a nonsense but maybe a sign of desperation
“Denazification” - another nonsense. But ought to be easy too :-)
“Cede Crimea” - not going to happen fjr the dièsera me future
“Agree to independent status for Donetsk and Luhansk” - second word there is “off”
All a smokescreen for now
from the comments
person 1 . Astonished that Putin apparently can't see the irony of staging a Brandenburg style rally,
Person 2 - Most people under 30 have never heard of Brandenburg
PP comments: that would be because it was Nuremberg innit?
wow and that wasnt AB - galloping gormlessness lies in wait whereever we go
person 1 . Astonished that Putin apparently can't see the irony of staging a Brandenburg style rally,
Person 2 - Most people under 30 have never heard of Brandenburg
PP comments: that would be because it was Nuremberg innit?
wow and that wasnt AB - galloping gormlessness lies in wait whereever we go
Ich - I was finking along similar lines
No nato - easy - altho christ the other countries have over come their second thoughts! Jesus
no heavy weapons - erm - so much as a pea shooter allows the Russians o march in again
neutral = = = Russian
must have a landbridge to Crimea - they must, Ukraine doesnt
Guarantees for russian - - Kherson is apparently russian speaking but they have been telling their liberators to go back home
denazification - that is for the muscovites isnt it
No nato - easy - altho christ the other countries have over come their second thoughts! Jesus
no heavy weapons - erm - so much as a pea shooter allows the Russians o march in again
neutral = = = Russian
must have a landbridge to Crimea - they must, Ukraine doesnt
Guarantees for russian - - Kherson is apparently russian speaking but they have been telling their liberators to go back home
denazification - that is for the muscovites isnt it
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