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Confidence Vote For Boris Looming?
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Can you hear that noise? No, not the boos and jeers this time.
That is the sound of the death knell for the Prime Minister.
Looks like he will be put out of our misery very shortly.
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All this before the select committee even begin their grilling over whether he lied to parliament. Far better he falls on his sword now.
Can you hear that noise? No, not the boos and jeers this time.
That is the sound of the death knell for the Prime Minister.
Looks like he will be put out of our misery very shortly.
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All this before the select committee even begin their grilling over whether he lied to parliament. Far better he falls on his sword now.
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It most certainly was full of jingoistic pride and rightly so NJ, there’s plenty of media and social commentary to back that up.
I agree with the rest, the Argentinian junta got everything they deserved and Margaret Thatcher did totally the correct thing.
A questionable and bumbling buffoon like Johnson would not have even been allowed to feed the Downing St cat, let alone be allowed anywhere near her cabinet.
I agree with the rest, the Argentinian junta got everything they deserved and Margaret Thatcher did totally the correct thing.
A questionable and bumbling buffoon like Johnson would not have even been allowed to feed the Downing St cat, let alone be allowed anywhere near her cabinet.
//Unless there were raucous parties in Whitehall during WW2 that compare, I’ve a feeling you’ll be hard pressed.//
The critical difference being, of course, that had there been raucous parties in Whitehall during WW2 they may have attracted public disapproval, but they would not have been subject to criminal proceedings under legislation introduced by Sir Winston Churchill.
The critical difference being, of course, that had there been raucous parties in Whitehall during WW2 they may have attracted public disapproval, but they would not have been subject to criminal proceedings under legislation introduced by Sir Winston Churchill.
//Unless there were raucous parties in Whitehall during WW2 that compare,//
Although Churchill famously started the day with a large whiskey and liked a half bottle of Champagne and a Montecristo cigar for lunch, when the rest of the Country was enduring a very strict rationing regime, there was not a media led campaign to besmirch him. Indeed it was seen as a trait of the necessary defiance that we would all need to overcome true evil. Of course the left wing poison called envy, and the acceptance of self regard as a right had not yet been injected into our society by the psychological nudge teams at Broadcasting House.
Although Churchill famously started the day with a large whiskey and liked a half bottle of Champagne and a Montecristo cigar for lunch, when the rest of the Country was enduring a very strict rationing regime, there was not a media led campaign to besmirch him. Indeed it was seen as a trait of the necessary defiance that we would all need to overcome true evil. Of course the left wing poison called envy, and the acceptance of self regard as a right had not yet been injected into our society by the psychological nudge teams at Broadcasting House.
davebro
//I'm sure Winston never went short of brandy, champagne & cigars. Just not so much scrutiny then. What's you point?//
I’m sure he didn’t.
I’ll try and put it into simple terms for you.
Whilst London was getting bombed I’m sure Mr Churchill and his staff followed all the rules to the letter, didn’t infringe the blackout, observed curfews etc and didn’t gather in Downing St for parties as the East End was turned into an inferno.
Please assure me you realise that the Johnson government did the exact opposite as the country was under siege from a different kind of threat?
If not, seek help.
//I'm sure Winston never went short of brandy, champagne & cigars. Just not so much scrutiny then. What's you point?//
I’m sure he didn’t.
I’ll try and put it into simple terms for you.
Whilst London was getting bombed I’m sure Mr Churchill and his staff followed all the rules to the letter, didn’t infringe the blackout, observed curfews etc and didn’t gather in Downing St for parties as the East End was turned into an inferno.
Please assure me you realise that the Johnson government did the exact opposite as the country was under siege from a different kind of threat?
If not, seek help.
davebro
Just one question - If not Boris then who?
Given their current standing it would have to be someone not in the current cabinet, they’re all either sullied like Sunak or fawning sycophants like Shapps, Raab and Dorries.
Patel and Truss would be out of their depth in a thimble. One political commentator said recently that it can’t be anyone from the current cabinet, they’d look too hypocritical.
Mark Harper would be a decent shout to at least see them through transition but really, anyone could do a better job atm as long as they have honesty and integrity, it’s not a lot to ask.
Just one question - If not Boris then who?
Given their current standing it would have to be someone not in the current cabinet, they’re all either sullied like Sunak or fawning sycophants like Shapps, Raab and Dorries.
Patel and Truss would be out of their depth in a thimble. One political commentator said recently that it can’t be anyone from the current cabinet, they’d look too hypocritical.
Mark Harper would be a decent shout to at least see them through transition but really, anyone could do a better job atm as long as they have honesty and integrity, it’s not a lot to ask.
davebro
//I hope Boris toughs it out. Being PM would be a steep learning curve for anyone. To bring in someone new now would be a recipe for disaster.//
As opposed to the unqualified success of the last 2 years you mean? Lol.
This is a government mired in controversy, zero accountability and seriously lacking in integrity. Changing the ministerial code is beyond the pale and final straw for even hardened Tories. It makes one look extremely guilty after the fact an an attempt to cover up and evade accountability for future misdeeds. It stinks and decent Tories know it.
Lord Geidt is no doubt seething about it privately.
//I hope Boris toughs it out. Being PM would be a steep learning curve for anyone. To bring in someone new now would be a recipe for disaster.//
As opposed to the unqualified success of the last 2 years you mean? Lol.
This is a government mired in controversy, zero accountability and seriously lacking in integrity. Changing the ministerial code is beyond the pale and final straw for even hardened Tories. It makes one look extremely guilty after the fact an an attempt to cover up and evade accountability for future misdeeds. It stinks and decent Tories know it.
Lord Geidt is no doubt seething about it privately.
Rant? Lol. I’m just pointing out the obvious.
Regardless of whether he wins the confidence vote it’ll signal the end of his tenure.
The mere fact that he will undergo one, in combination with the Gray report fallout and standards inquiry that starts this week he’s over, he’ll not lead the Tories in the next election, they know they’re done for if he does.
Or do you seriously believe he’ll survive all of that without his own party taking matters into their own hands?
Regardless of whether he wins the confidence vote it’ll signal the end of his tenure.
The mere fact that he will undergo one, in combination with the Gray report fallout and standards inquiry that starts this week he’s over, he’ll not lead the Tories in the next election, they know they’re done for if he does.
Or do you seriously believe he’ll survive all of that without his own party taking matters into their own hands?
davebro,
//Not an unqualified success - but discounting partygate, a success nonetheless!//
Lol, you’re more deluded that the other two that champion the chump regularly on here.
Take a look at the successes shall we?
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He’s made a success of being embroiled in scandal and very questionable behaviours, I’ll grant you that.
Please do carry on, have you any more fables?
//Not an unqualified success - but discounting partygate, a success nonetheless!//
Lol, you’re more deluded that the other two that champion the chump regularly on here.
Take a look at the successes shall we?
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He’s made a success of being embroiled in scandal and very questionable behaviours, I’ll grant you that.
Please do carry on, have you any more fables?
Fatti; //Lol. Par for the course? Remind me again of a sitting PM who has undergone such parliamentary/civil service scrutiny and lambasting for breaking law and his government for such misdemeanours whilst in office?//
The key word in that sentence is "scrutiny", Boris has had it like no other, - a continuous attempt at muck-raking by a pathetic left who are bereft of ideas & have nothing better to offer than their pitiable attempts at detraction & fault-finding.
The key word in that sentence is "scrutiny", Boris has had it like no other, - a continuous attempt at muck-raking by a pathetic left who are bereft of ideas & have nothing better to offer than their pitiable attempts at detraction & fault-finding.
Khandro,
//The key word in that sentence is "scrutiny", Boris has had it like no other, - a continuous attempt at muck-raking by a pathetic left who are bereft of ideas & have nothing better to offer than their pitiable attempts at detraction & fault-finding.//
Lol, do you actually follow current events and what goes on in the real world?
Your paranoia is worse than the other two I’ve alluded to.
It’s got nothing to do with lefties and muck raking. Read this next bit slowly.
The people doing the muck raking and putting him under scrutiny are the following:
Tory MP’s and back-benchers who are thoroughly dissatisfied with him, along with his ethics adviser whom he has blocked from investigating him.
The group of MP’s from the standards and privileges committee are cross-party, so to explain that means there will be at least one Tory on that but probably more.
The Gray investigation was by a non-political civil servant who is independent, or at least was until he tried to knobble her prior to publication.
In short, whatever the lefties pick up on it is because scrutiny has already been instigated by independents or members of his own party. If he was open, honest and a person of integrity he wouldn’t be put under the microscope by his own, would he?
//The key word in that sentence is "scrutiny", Boris has had it like no other, - a continuous attempt at muck-raking by a pathetic left who are bereft of ideas & have nothing better to offer than their pitiable attempts at detraction & fault-finding.//
Lol, do you actually follow current events and what goes on in the real world?
Your paranoia is worse than the other two I’ve alluded to.
It’s got nothing to do with lefties and muck raking. Read this next bit slowly.
The people doing the muck raking and putting him under scrutiny are the following:
Tory MP’s and back-benchers who are thoroughly dissatisfied with him, along with his ethics adviser whom he has blocked from investigating him.
The group of MP’s from the standards and privileges committee are cross-party, so to explain that means there will be at least one Tory on that but probably more.
The Gray investigation was by a non-political civil servant who is independent, or at least was until he tried to knobble her prior to publication.
In short, whatever the lefties pick up on it is because scrutiny has already been instigated by independents or members of his own party. If he was open, honest and a person of integrity he wouldn’t be put under the microscope by his own, would he?
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