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Rwanda Bound Plane Will Not Fly
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A bit like Johnson’s plans to break the Brexit ‘oven-ready’ deal that he signed.
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This is a government in crisis.
Ducking out of international deals, changing codes to avoid government ministers being questioned or scrutinised and now mooting leaving the ECHR.
From Sky News.
PM says changes to the law may be necessary to prevent Rwanda deportations being challenged in court
Boris Johnson has said the government may make changes to the law in response to the court challenges that have stymied attempts to deport migrants to Rwanda.
Asked whether he would consider pulling the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights, the prime minister said:
"It is certainly the case that the legal fraternity, or sorority or whatever, the legal world is very good at picking up ways of trying to stop the government from upholding what we think is a sensible law.
Isn’t that a bit rich from someone who couldn’t uphold other laws he himself made?
The Johnson administration feels that they can ride rough-shod through international laws and agreements and appears to making things up ad-hoc as it blunders from one crisis to another, most of their own making.
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This is a government in crisis.
Ducking out of international deals, changing codes to avoid government ministers being questioned or scrutinised and now mooting leaving the ECHR.
From Sky News.
PM says changes to the law may be necessary to prevent Rwanda deportations being challenged in court
Boris Johnson has said the government may make changes to the law in response to the court challenges that have stymied attempts to deport migrants to Rwanda.
Asked whether he would consider pulling the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights, the prime minister said:
"It is certainly the case that the legal fraternity, or sorority or whatever, the legal world is very good at picking up ways of trying to stop the government from upholding what we think is a sensible law.
Isn’t that a bit rich from someone who couldn’t uphold other laws he himself made?
The Johnson administration feels that they can ride rough-shod through international laws and agreements and appears to making things up ad-hoc as it blunders from one crisis to another, most of their own making.
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//fatticus; "….and you know this how? " - stands to reason, if they were genuinely fleeing for their lives they'd apply as soon as they get onto the European Mainland. Only economic migrants would risk their life trying to cross to Britain. QED.//
You’ve fallen foul of the misconception that they have to do so in the first free country they reach.
They don’t.
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I actually agree with what the government are trying to do, it’s just the usual ‘make it up as we go along and see how it pans out’ approach that they seem to take with everything, instead of due process and checking all the legalities first.
//fatticus; "….and you know this how? " - stands to reason, if they were genuinely fleeing for their lives they'd apply as soon as they get onto the European Mainland. Only economic migrants would risk their life trying to cross to Britain. QED.//
You’ve fallen foul of the misconception that they have to do so in the first free country they reach.
They don’t.
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I actually agree with what the government are trying to do, it’s just the usual ‘make it up as we go along and see how it pans out’ approach that they seem to take with everything, instead of due process and checking all the legalities first.
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//You're not intrigued - you're confused. No one arriving from France has come because that country presents a danger to them.//
Ah, so you don’t actually know, you’re assuming and guessing?
Thanks for the confirmation. \\ - so you don't think France is a safe country then? Now I know it's a weird place but I wouldn't have thought it was a danger to migrants etc. Better contact the ECHR! PMSL!
//You're not intrigued - you're confused. No one arriving from France has come because that country presents a danger to them.//
Ah, so you don’t actually know, you’re assuming and guessing?
Thanks for the confirmation. \\ - so you don't think France is a safe country then? Now I know it's a weird place but I wouldn't have thought it was a danger to migrants etc. Better contact the ECHR! PMSL!
ToraToraTora
//fatticus: "You’ve fallen foul of the misconception that they have to do so in the first free country they reach. " - nope, where have I said that? Read what I said. I know they don't have to but genuine asylum seekers would choose, say Italy, France etc.//
What if they already have ties with the UK?
Family or acquaintances?
Why would they choose other countries?
Each case has its own merits no doubt.
//fatticus: "You’ve fallen foul of the misconception that they have to do so in the first free country they reach. " - nope, where have I said that? Read what I said. I know they don't have to but genuine asylum seekers would choose, say Italy, France etc.//
What if they already have ties with the UK?
Family or acquaintances?
Why would they choose other countries?
Each case has its own merits no doubt.
fatticus: "What if they already have ties with the UK?
Family or acquaintances?
Why would they choose other countries?
Each case has its own merits no doubt. " - then they would not be asylum seekers, people in genuine fear for their lives would be happy to get to a safe country, apply there, perhaps link up with family later. If they want to come here for those reasons they are doing it for their convenience not for valid reasons.
Family or acquaintances?
Why would they choose other countries?
Each case has its own merits no doubt. " - then they would not be asylum seekers, people in genuine fear for their lives would be happy to get to a safe country, apply there, perhaps link up with family later. If they want to come here for those reasons they are doing it for their convenience not for valid reasons.
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//Fatticus, I'm not their biggest fan but I think you labelling France an unsafe place is a bit insulting.//
Lol, where did I write that? Spare me the semantics.
Johnson hasn’t got his own way again because Patel didn’t sort out all the fine detail first, that’s what you’re annoyed about.
//Fatticus, I'm not their biggest fan but I think you labelling France an unsafe place is a bit insulting.//
Lol, where did I write that? Spare me the semantics.
Johnson hasn’t got his own way again because Patel didn’t sort out all the fine detail first, that’s what you’re annoyed about.
fatticus: "ToraToraTora
//Fatticus, I'm not their biggest fan but I think you labelling France an unsafe place is a bit insulting.//
Lol, where did I write that? " - well when naomi said that France was not a danger to them, you doubted it and asked for proof. Then berated her. So from that, we must deduce that you do not accept that France is safe. You hoisted yourself there me old china.
//Fatticus, I'm not their biggest fan but I think you labelling France an unsafe place is a bit insulting.//
Lol, where did I write that? " - well when naomi said that France was not a danger to them, you doubted it and asked for proof. Then berated her. So from that, we must deduce that you do not accept that France is safe. You hoisted yourself there me old china.
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