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But will it really change anything or solve the problem? Will the French do their part?
Or will the record numbers continue to be broken despite all promises and assurances?
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Or will the record numbers continue to be broken despite all promises and assurances?
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Can’t make sense out of that Sky report.
The Rwanda flight was cancelled on 15th June, but they write
// the first flight to the country was cancelled after a last minute order from the European Court of Human Rights, and 11,131 migrants have arrived in the UK since. //
Surely they mean 11,000 have arrived this year, not in the 6 weeks since the ECHR order?
The Rwanda flight was cancelled on 15th June, but they write
// the first flight to the country was cancelled after a last minute order from the European Court of Human Rights, and 11,131 migrants have arrived in the UK since. //
Surely they mean 11,000 have arrived this year, not in the 6 weeks since the ECHR order?
//No one in the UK believes the Government will deport thousands to Rwanda.//
In fact I would go a little further than that. I would suggest that few people in the UK believe the government will successfully deport ANY migrants to Rwanda. When this hare-brained scheme was first aired, this question was raised on AB:
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I made this suggestion:
“The report concludes that Downing Street hopes the first removal flights will take place by the end of next month. So watch this space (but I would advise readers not to hold their breath. [The question was posted on 16th April].”
There was also a question on 13th April:
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I concluded my contributions to it with this:
“The chances of widespread success with this scheme are close to zero. In a few months’ time we may see one plane load lined up on the tarmac ready to go before a judge grants an emergency order preventing the flight. Then the government will blame the courts. I forecast the number of people forcibly removed to Rwanda for “processing” to be less than a dozen and I would be surprised if it’s as many as that. Then the scheme will be quietly scrapped (but not before Rwanda has received the usual “retainer” for offering their services). Meanwhile the taxpayer will continue to foot the ever-increasing bill (currently £1.3m PER DAY) to cope with this scandal.”
I still hold to that view. In fact recent events have reinforced it. For those who believe this scheme will have a deterrent effect on those determined to cross, there was an article in the Press last week describing the government’s plan to use a disused RAF station (RAF Lynton-0n-Ouse, 10 miles from York) to house arriving migrants. In an attempt to reduce the hotel bills mentioned in those questions the government is considering six sites. Lynton is the first and it will house 1,500 migrants (thus outnumbering those in the nearby village by 3 to 1). There’s no point in posting a link because it is behind a paywall. But here’s an extract:
"The camp there would have a bespoke GP and dental service, full-board catering, a multi-faith area, a seven-day-a-week “recreational programme including indoor and outdoor physical and social activities” and a gym and shop. There will be a lounge area with television and Internet access, a library and resource centre and a larger screen for films. Serco, the commercial operator, will also be running two minibuses on twice daily trips to York.”
The minibus service would be useful for the locals as they have just one bus at 9:30am and one at 3:30pm.
For those wondering what the attraction is that encourages migrants away from their luxurious facilities in the woods outside Calais, to embark on a rubber boat for the UK, there’s your answer. So I say again, there is only one way to deal with the migrant problem in the UK: forget about what's to be done with them after thay have arrived but instead prevent them from landing in the first place because once they are here, they ain’t gonna shift.
In fact I would go a little further than that. I would suggest that few people in the UK believe the government will successfully deport ANY migrants to Rwanda. When this hare-brained scheme was first aired, this question was raised on AB:
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I made this suggestion:
“The report concludes that Downing Street hopes the first removal flights will take place by the end of next month. So watch this space (but I would advise readers not to hold their breath. [The question was posted on 16th April].”
There was also a question on 13th April:
https:/
I concluded my contributions to it with this:
“The chances of widespread success with this scheme are close to zero. In a few months’ time we may see one plane load lined up on the tarmac ready to go before a judge grants an emergency order preventing the flight. Then the government will blame the courts. I forecast the number of people forcibly removed to Rwanda for “processing” to be less than a dozen and I would be surprised if it’s as many as that. Then the scheme will be quietly scrapped (but not before Rwanda has received the usual “retainer” for offering their services). Meanwhile the taxpayer will continue to foot the ever-increasing bill (currently £1.3m PER DAY) to cope with this scandal.”
I still hold to that view. In fact recent events have reinforced it. For those who believe this scheme will have a deterrent effect on those determined to cross, there was an article in the Press last week describing the government’s plan to use a disused RAF station (RAF Lynton-0n-Ouse, 10 miles from York) to house arriving migrants. In an attempt to reduce the hotel bills mentioned in those questions the government is considering six sites. Lynton is the first and it will house 1,500 migrants (thus outnumbering those in the nearby village by 3 to 1). There’s no point in posting a link because it is behind a paywall. But here’s an extract:
"The camp there would have a bespoke GP and dental service, full-board catering, a multi-faith area, a seven-day-a-week “recreational programme including indoor and outdoor physical and social activities” and a gym and shop. There will be a lounge area with television and Internet access, a library and resource centre and a larger screen for films. Serco, the commercial operator, will also be running two minibuses on twice daily trips to York.”
The minibus service would be useful for the locals as they have just one bus at 9:30am and one at 3:30pm.
For those wondering what the attraction is that encourages migrants away from their luxurious facilities in the woods outside Calais, to embark on a rubber boat for the UK, there’s your answer. So I say again, there is only one way to deal with the migrant problem in the UK: forget about what's to be done with them after thay have arrived but instead prevent them from landing in the first place because once they are here, they ain’t gonna shift.
//Yet we allow this and many other blatantly stupid ideas to be implemented by a completely unfit for purpose government.//
And do you have a better idea?
The Rwanda scheme is not dead, in fact it has a very great use in that it has shown despite leaving the EU we are still beholden to foreigners ruling over us.
This is now a perfect excuse to leave the ECHR, something we should have done alongside departing the EU.
As I say, watch this space, its not over yet although one great hurdle is the civil service in the Home Office refusing to enact the Governments wishes.
And do you have a better idea?
The Rwanda scheme is not dead, in fact it has a very great use in that it has shown despite leaving the EU we are still beholden to foreigners ruling over us.
This is now a perfect excuse to leave the ECHR, something we should have done alongside departing the EU.
As I say, watch this space, its not over yet although one great hurdle is the civil service in the Home Office refusing to enact the Governments wishes.
//but noone can suggest anything that will worry but can easily find fault with any idea's//
It's not a question of finding fault, bob. It was as plain as day that this plan would never work. But people supposedly far more intelligent than me devised it and their political masters proposed the legislation to make it happen. But it was obvious that it would be open to successful legal challenge.
If the UK is serious about tackling this it needs to repeal our own Human Rights Act and withdraw as a signatory from the European Convention on Human Rights. That would be a start and it would prevent challenges to properly enacted domestic legislation from being successfully challenged.
But most of all it needs to prevent the migrants from landing. That may involve towing them back to France or it may involve taking them aboard Border Force vessels and returning them there that way. These people do not have a right to do what they are doing. Nobody has a right to land here without leave, especially when they have left a safe country voluntarily. The numbers involved are presenting a threat to the economic and social stability of this country. We do not have the accommodation, health services, education facilities or the money to support this influx. This perpetual nonsense that says "Britain is proud to be a welcoming nation and to provide sanctuary" is wearing terribly thin.
It's not a question of finding fault, bob. It was as plain as day that this plan would never work. But people supposedly far more intelligent than me devised it and their political masters proposed the legislation to make it happen. But it was obvious that it would be open to successful legal challenge.
If the UK is serious about tackling this it needs to repeal our own Human Rights Act and withdraw as a signatory from the European Convention on Human Rights. That would be a start and it would prevent challenges to properly enacted domestic legislation from being successfully challenged.
But most of all it needs to prevent the migrants from landing. That may involve towing them back to France or it may involve taking them aboard Border Force vessels and returning them there that way. These people do not have a right to do what they are doing. Nobody has a right to land here without leave, especially when they have left a safe country voluntarily. The numbers involved are presenting a threat to the economic and social stability of this country. We do not have the accommodation, health services, education facilities or the money to support this influx. This perpetual nonsense that says "Britain is proud to be a welcoming nation and to provide sanctuary" is wearing terribly thin.
And nearly 700 more came in yesterday in 14 boats!!
Where on earth are they putting these people???
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Where on earth are they putting these people???
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//Where on earth are they putting these people???//
In a hotel near you. Take a look at the earlier threads I quoted and you will find links to reports of people having their bookings cancelled when entire hotels were requisitioned to accommodate migrants.
The hotel bill was running at £1.3m a day back in April. It's obviously greater now because of the increased numbers. That's close on half a billion pounds a year. That is without the cost of the pocket money and other gifts which the migrants receive and it does not take account of any medical costs they incur.
Wake up people!
In a hotel near you. Take a look at the earlier threads I quoted and you will find links to reports of people having their bookings cancelled when entire hotels were requisitioned to accommodate migrants.
The hotel bill was running at £1.3m a day back in April. It's obviously greater now because of the increased numbers. That's close on half a billion pounds a year. That is without the cost of the pocket money and other gifts which the migrants receive and it does not take account of any medical costs they incur.
Wake up people!
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