Police Caution For Exposure

[Mike25]

I was at a wedding last night, couldn't get a taxi so decided to walk. Half an hour into my walk I had to pee. No where open at 3am so turned up a entry into a dark carpark. Whilst relieving myself, lights can on at the other end of the car park. PSNI! I tried to walk away but they stopped me. Took a photo of the crime and said I was exposing myself. I didn't get fined but they took my details and gave me a slip which I stupidly binned. I remember looking at the slip and they had spelt my surname wrong. I also remember them calling the station to get a RU number? But nobody picked up so the slip was incomplete and they got tired waiting. They told me that I wasn't getting a fine but the crime will be on my enhanced dbs for 12 months.
I was drunk so the details arent too clear in my head.
Can someone tell me what the slip was, was it a caution?
The slip didn't have this RU number they were trying to get, therefore is it invalid?
Lastly, my surname was spelt wrongly, will it show on a enhanced dbs?
Thanks in advance

[Ringlet]

It may have been a Community Protection Warning Notice.
My son got one for exactly the same offence as you.
It means that the cops have found you out doing something that could be detrimental to the community but you have not been charged nor convicted of a crime.
It is not a formal caution as such. It won't be on your normal record check, should anyone need to look you up, but it would appear on an enhanced record check.
All in all, not much to worry about in terms of your future prospects. But try not to get caught again as it could mean a more severe punishment next time.

[Ringlet]

I forgot to say, you have the right to appeal the warning notice within 21 days of its being issued.

[Peter Pedant]

wait and see
do you need an enhanced DBS?
like you work with children etc?

it would be sensible for you to write a reflexion ( facts, events and what you learnt from it= not to do it again) and wheel it out ( the reflection that is ! not the action replay) if it bites you in the bum later on.

include the bit where you say you were soooooo drunk they got the name wrong.

and learn from this - and include the bit where mens bogs are closed to control the unencumbered sodom ( thx to Revd Paisley ) that is prevalent in NI ( at night) and so you have to pee on the street

[Peter Pedant]

and when the police give you a form dont rip it up
chrissakes

[barry1010]

If what you have written is the truth you absolutely must appeal this - it was not indecent exposure.
The offence is deliberately exposing your genitals for the sole purpose of frightening or upsetting somebody else. There was very little chance of anyone seeing you, let alone getting a good look at your privates.

[Canary42]

It's utterly pathetic that people aren't allowed to do what dear little doggies do all the time. It just shows what a stupid nation we are to accept such idiocy from our masters .

[piggynose]

and when the police give you a form dont rip it up
chrissakes, he was pist For Funks Sake!! its normal behaviour!
but he should´ve learnt his lesson!

[Canary42]

/// it was not indecent exposure.///
But if it went to court you would get some dumb magistrate who believes police absolutely, and get found guilty.

[Hopkirk]

12 months will pass in no time. Move on.

[barry1010]

I'm so glad you didn't have the opportunity to say that to Darrell Meekcom, Canary.
I think you'd be surprised just how often magistrates find in favour of the defendant

[New Judge]

//But if it went to court you would get some dumb magistrate who believes police absolutely, and get found guilty.

You'd have to get at least two (of the three sitting) dumb magistrates to believe the police absolutely. In the circumstances described here it is doubtful, unless they are prepared to perjure themselves, that the police could provide sufficient evidence to secure a conviction, whether they presented it to dumb magistrates or to those who can talk.

[Mike25]

Many thanks for your replies. I dont work with kids etc
In 12 months I will apply for an enhanced dbs and see if anything is on it. Just for information.

[barry1010]

You can't apply for an enhanced DBS, daft as that seems

[Maydup]

You can only apply for an enhanced DBS through an organisation who requires you have one; like an employer.

It’s probably not worth appealing as you have no paperwork, although it does seem really harsh for a late night pee. Bored coppers hanging around in a car park needed something to do.

Rest assured that it will not prevent you from doing anything you wish to in life except work closely with children within the next 12 months.

[rockyracoon]

I’m interested to know why this will only be on a DBS check for 1 year. Surely, if the reason for being logged is for exposing oneself, it should remain on there for a lot longer.

[Peter Pedant]

// people aren't allowed to do what dear little doggies do all the time. // I returned from Egypt and met a young leddy straight back from Pakistan ( polio campaign but not the one where they shot the immunisers)

and HER comment emerging from a bush was "you are lucky I just dont crouch down and go as they do where I have just left"

The men in jellabiyas did the same where I had just come from

[Peter Pedant]

shot the immunisers for being heretics ( kufr)
the driver ran and hid behind low stones but he wasnt shot on intention

[Peter Pedant]

Did they mention DBS - or did it just appear suddenly?

it isnt an auto-bar ( DBS that is)
and so you should be given a chance to make representation - once they inform you they are 'minded' to put you on the DBS list

and the reps should be
1) I am not working with children
2) there is no harm
3) nor danger of it
so listing is inappropriate

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/dbs-guidance-leaflets

and yes amaxingly today someone has asked me to help make representations....
if any one is reading this as a regular ABer and has an IQ greater than 80, BAILII has the leading cases - AB v DBS and SV v DBS ( no I am not joking). Bit of a turgid read unless of course , you then have to write an essay ....

[wolf63]

Public Indecency surely should mean that it was done n a public place where the public could reasonably see you?!

It was dark and not on the street.

[Canary42]

I apologise to all decent magistrates for my earlier remarks, but my experience of magistrates is lamentable. The case before mine was a guy appearing for the second time because the first time they got his name wrong. They also got it wrong this time. The defendant was much aggrieved as he had to miss work on both occasions and was therefore losing money. Surely any decent magistrate would criticise the police and dismiss the case, especially since the charge was cycling the wrong way in a one way street. But no, they adjourned it sine die which bewildered the defendant (me too) so the Court Usher had to step in and explain.