Another Brexit Win

[Hymie]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11087087/Brits-Portugal-face-arrest-enter-EU-country-lack-residency-cards.html

[New Judge]

On what grounds do they "face arrest" if they try to move from one Schengen country to another? Tens of thousands of migrants travel across Schengen from east to west or north to south. None of them is arrested as far as I know.

[New Judge]

^^^Sorry, "south to north".

[bhg481]

I assume that, without residency cards and no entry stamp in their passport, they might be considered to be in the EU illegally.

[Hopkirk]

Quite a bunfight going on in the EU, trying to dig Germany out of the mire of their idiotic over reliance on Russian gas.

Thank heavens we got out.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jul/26/eu-agrees-plan-to-reduce-gas-use-over-russia-supply-fears

[Buenchico]

>>> On what grounds do they "face arrest" if they try to move from one Schengen country to another?

Unless a Brit has proof of residency within the EU, he/she can only remain there for a maximum of 90 days without a relevant visa. If, say, such a person tries to leave the EU (e.g. to visit family in the UK) his/her passport will be checked to look for an entry stamp, so that the length of their stay can be assessed. As there will be no such entry stamp for someone who has been living in Portugal then, unless they've got proof of residency, they potentially face arrest for overstaying within the EU (as it will be assumed that they entered before UK passports were subject to stamping).

While there will be no such passport checks if, say, such a person simply crosses a land border between Portugal and Spain, they might still face them (even when wholly within the Schengen area) when travelling by air.

[naomi24]

The paperwork can’t be that difficult to organise. How inefficient.

[Togo]

The Portuguese have perhaps decided to delay the paperwork because they need the British Nationals, and their money, in the country. Another Eeyoo country that is all but broke.

[bobbinwales]

non- story

[calmck]

I live in Portugal and have permanent residency. All ex pats living here legally had to register their Residencia number with the boarder service prior to last Dec. This was widely advertised in the local English Language papers. It was easy to do. We were issued a certificate to show when travelling. We are now waiting an appointment for new cards. The renewal system is being trialed in certain locations. I have no problems with health care and prescriptions. I am a legal resident. I wonder how many of those with problems are not legal and did nothing to amend this

[calmck]

There is now a system in place for passports to be stamped on arrival

[New Judge]

But the article is misleading, Leaving aside the fact that, as calmck explains, adequate steps have been taken to ensure ex-pats are properly recorded as resident, the article specifically mentions the threat of arrest if they attempt to travel to another Schengen country. I accept that if they travel by air they may encounter problems (assuming airlines require passports for identification rather than border control). But if they travel overland there are no checks anywhere and they stand no greater chance of being "arrested and deported" than if they remain in Portugal.

[Gromit]

On the plus side, 76 million dirty muslims from Turkey are not coming to our green and pleasant land.
Hurrah for Boris!

[JDavis]

I thought Brexit was supposed to reduce paperwork.

[New Judge]

Who told you that? It was blindingly obvious that when the UK left there would be changes to border controls for both people and goods.

[Hymie]

It might have been blindingly obvious to some that there would be changes to boarder controls for both people and goods – and to be fair to JDavis, they only posted that Brexit was supposed to reduce paperwork (a change).

I don’t recall the Brexiteers telling us that these (blindingly obvious) changes to border controls would make things a nightmare for the exporters of goods and the movement of people to and from within the EU.

[youngmafbog]

The usual garbage from Hymie.

You lost, suck it up and keep chomping on those sour grapes.

[Hymie]

It’s good to know that the exporters who are having a nightmare exporting goods to the EU, with all the additional paperwork, physical checks, additional costs etc; and persons finding themselves in nightmare situations not only in terms of travelling to/from the EU, but their residency status – are imagining these things.

[New Judge]

How many people have suffered "nightmare situations" travelling to/from the EU solely as a result of Brexit? I have visited three times since we left "properly" and, even with Covid restrictions, it was a breeze.

I'm sorry if not everybody realised it, but it was blindingly obvious there would be changes. A country cannot disentangle itself from forty-odd years of political, economic and commercial entanglement without changes, some of them inconvenient. If voters simply listened to the claptrap spouted, mainly from politicians (from both sides) during the referendum campaign and cast their votes as a result of what they heard, that's their fault. It will clearly be more inconvenient to deal with the EU now we are not members because it is a protectionist racket. It prioritises trade between its members and discriminates against trade from outside - one of the principal reasons for leaving.

People and businesses will simply have to get used to the new arrangements.

[JDavis]

The usual garbage from youngmafbog, devoid of fact or argument.

So brexiteers voted knowingly for more paperwork and restrictions on their own freedom or travel! Never mind though, we've got our own sovereignty back, for all the good it's doing us.

[New Judge]

//So brexiteers voted knowingly for more paperwork and restrictions on their own freedom or travel!//

I don't know what other Brexiteers voted for or why they did so. I can only speak for myself. I voted to leave in the full expectation that when visiting EU countries I would need to produce a passport upon arrival. I've always had to do so and I still do. If and when the EU requires me to register on its ETIAS system I will simply do so and pay the appropriate fee. In short, I expect to comply with the entry requirements of any country I visit. I have no more restrictions on my travel now than I had when the UK was an EU member. I accept that UK citizens wanting to work and settle in the EU now face some hurdles before they may do so (as of course they would if they wanted to do likewise in any other country with which we have conventional arrangements). Anybody believing they would not in the event we left was stupid. The upside of that for me is that 450m EU citizens do not now have an unfettered right to work and settle here and in my view that's simply part of restoring the UK's relationship with EU nations to a more "normal" status. I don't know of any other country in the world which allows unconditional settlement arrangements to 450m people from other nations.

I have had few surprises with the outcomes following Brexit. It is scarcely my fault if other people were not informed enough before they voted and are now surprised. They should have researched the subject more.