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lankeela | 12:32 Fri 09th Sep 2022 | News
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Not wishing to be disrespectful to HM but are we going to get any other news any time soon? With the energy crisis and Ukraine it would be good to know what is going on other than the rehashed films of HM and the repeated interviews with people who once passed her in a corridor.
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If you can manage to contribute to Answerbank you can manage to find a thousand sites that are covering other news.
Full of the milk of human kindness you guys, as usual
//I think NJ already knows and understands that but will take every opportunity to knock the NHS whenever possible.//

No NJ doesn't. Non-essential means unnecessary, not needed, surplus to requirements.

So, LadyGC, what will the people who now do not need to attend these meetings be doing with their time? I appreciate that the country is in mourning, but why should that affect the workings of the NHS?
None essential means unecessary, not needed.Haaaaaaah does it really.You make it up as you go along I think.
NJ, it could be meetings that HAVE to take place at some time but not necessarily on a specified date so in that respect, they are not essential and have been postponed until a later date.

I'm afraid the Nhs will always be a thorn in NJs side,untill the next vaccine is on offer.
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What do I pay my tv licence for? Not to have to google. Any what do you suggest I put in the search box? How do I know what is ri==going to be in the news?
//NJ, it could be meetings that HAVE to take place at some time but not necessarily on a specified date so in that respect, they are not essential and have been postponed until a later date//

So "non-urgent" then, rather than non-essential?

//I'm afraid the Nhs will always be a thorn in NJs side,untill the next vaccine is on offer.//

The NHS is not a thorn in my side. It is an admirable institution. Unfortunately it is completely unfit for purpose and wastes money that could be used for healing the sick on things like non-essential meetings. That's the thorn in my side.


This morning Russian forces in Izyum surrendered to advancing Ukrainian army. Izyum,previously a city of 45,000 in north of Donbas (Kharkiv region) has been in Russian hands since March. Having lost it and Kupiansk to the north, they have now lost their maon rail supply line from Russia to the north Donbas theatre.
Ich, I have a notion that the war in Ukraine is affecting the people of Europe far more than our sanctions are affecting the Russians who, according to what I've read, don’t seem to be suffering any hardship whatsoever.
Hmm, not sure about that: 52,00 dead troops, widows, orphans, a flat-lining economy.
I know where I'd rather be today :-)
And look at Ukraine: tnes of thousands of dead civilians, thousands of bombed houses, schools (2700 plus at the last count) , an economy on its knees thanks to russian terrorism.
I don't think Europe's suffering compared to that either.
Ich, I know you want to 'talk up' Ukraine - and I understand that - but I'm being realistic so your response doesn't address the point I was making. How much are our sanctions affecting the people of Russia? From what I read, not much.
2700 destroyed schools, 10s of thousands of dead civilians? Economy struggling?
It's hardly "talking up" Ukraine :-). It's in a far worse state than Russia, thanks to Russia, but Europe in turn is far better off than Russia.

I am not sure what you and others expect of sanctions on Russia?
We threatened Putin with devastating sanctions as a deterrent, because frankly what else could we do. But once it was clear he was hellbent on his disastrous plan, sanctions no longer became a deterrent in the same way. A lot of the "sanctions" are simply the actions of companies who for moral (and lets be honest business) reasons decided they could no longer trade in and with Russia.
They are having a pretty devastating effect on Russia's economu and on its ability to pursue its war, not so much financially as long as it continues to benefit from high gas prices, but in material terms eg inability to replace its weapons of war). On the general public the effect is less dramatic largely because the Kremlin is desparate to shield ordinay people from the consquences, but naturally it does affect people's lives in very real ways.
The thing is tho that alone is not going to make the kremlin stop: that'll be defeat on the battlefield, or chaos or dissent at the top.
In short, if you complaining that Russia hasn't fallen apart economically then that is true, but on the other hand what will they do when the gas revenue from Europe dries up? They cannot simply reroute it east for example.
NJ Having meetings within any business/ operation is all part of keeping the wheels in motion, but I'm sure you already know that.And I,m sure you also know that some meetings can be put off for a period of time.Stop being so cranky,and stop pulling the NHS apart just because (you) think you know how to run this massive operation better.
Ich, I'm not criticising or complaining - I'm just asking so no need to get your dander up. I'm on your side.
Non-essential does not mean unnecessary, it means non-urgent. You know this already.

Some meetings must go ahead and some can be postponed.
lankeela, I do understand your point of view. I hope and expect that there will be a "tailing off" in intensity of the news throughout the time left before the Queen's State Funeral. There is still a world going on around us and I don't think you should have to try to find your news elsewhere. We can expect the overwhelming coverage for the first couple of days.

Though the senior members of the Royal Family were born into "The Firm" and have spent their lives understanding and preparing for such an occasion I am finding all the media coverage too much.

The loss of a mother, grandmother and so on is essentially a family affair from the off and I believe the Royal Family deserve some privacy. Camera crews at every location, drones, telephoto lenses et al trying to bring the world close ups of the bereaved and grieving is not for me and I find it disrespectful.

Why the various stations decide they have to televise repetitive shots, videos and live pictures with interminable voice overs from the world and his wife is beyond me.

I well understand the need for protocol and all that entails. I am now restricting myself to viewing some of that protocol as I wish.
Izium confirmed liberated :-)

The BBC has a lot of catching up to do
My dander is not up Naomi :-)

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