Bloody Protests In Iran

[naomi24]

//Protests sparked by the death in police custody of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini have spread across the country. They have been met with internet shutdowns and violent repression…. Amini was visiting Tehran when she was arrested by morality police who took issue with the way she had veiled her hair. While the police maintain she died of natural causes, her family say she was tortured and killed…. Parents of young people killed during the protests have expressed disappointment at the response from the international community. //

Whilst societies embracing antiquated philosophies and laws exist, what can - or should - the international community do?

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/sep/26/iran-protests-mahsa-amini-at-least-450-arrested-in-northern-province

[Untitled]

unfortunately our meddling in that part of the world is a big part of why the present regime in iran is in power at all…

it is very tempting to support the protestors quietly and hope that they can win but history suggests that is likely to backfire massively

[ichkeria]

Stay out of it of course and let events take their course.

The iranian women have put the russian "men" to shame.

[Gromit]

We could install a sham monarchy who would steal all their money and be a puppet of the west.

[naomi24]

Would that help the women, gromit?

[youngmafbog]

Why dont you move there Gromit since you clearly hate the West so much?

Ich has it right IMO.

[ToraToraTora]

All pretty standard stuff from TROP.

[ToraToraTora]

10:24, Obviously it's our fault! ForFS it was a civilised country once. Till the mad mullahs deposed the Shah.

[Gromit]

Ymb,
The Islamic Revolution that put the ayatollahs in charge in Iran was a direct result of US and UK meddling. It would be a mistake to commit the error.
The people of Iran have once thrown off the shackles of a corrupt monarchy, and they can do it again by rejecting their religious dictators.

Interference from us now, would just play into the arms of the fundamentalist oppressors. Rather than help, it would just confirm their anti west rhetoric.

[youngmafbog]

Well thats better.

I now agree with you.

[Gromit]

// it was a civilised country once //

Not really.

// After the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, Pahlavi had aligned with the United States and the Western Bloc to rule more firmly as an authoritarian monarch. He relied heavily on support from the United States to hold on to power which he held for a further 26 years. Ayatollah Khomeini was arrested and exiled in 1964. Amidst massive tensions between Khomeini and the Shah, demonstrations began in October 1977, developing into a campaign of civil resistance that included both secular and religious elements. The protests rapidly intensified in 1978 as a result of the burning of Rex Cinema which was seen as the trigger of the revolution, and between August and December that year, strikes and demonstrations paralyzed the country.

On 16 January 1979, the Shah left Iran and went into exile. Ayatollah Khomeini was invited back to Iran by the government, and returned to Tehran bringing him to power. //

[Khandro]

Did anyone watch, 'Art of Persia' last night on BBC 4 ?
Terrible Shia whitewash! Zoroastrianism wasn't even mentioned & you'd have thought the last Shah was the devil incarnate.

[ToraToraTora]

11:28, yes I think you are right there gromit. Leave well alone.

[itchycopark]

ichkeria
"Stay out of it of course and let events take their course."
coming from you that's rather ironic don't ya think ?

[douglas9401]

Indeed.

[Old_Geezer]

Nevertheless I think nations can hold opinions on what is going on in the world and need not take it further than to express them. Or are we likely to spoil our good relationship with Iran by doing so ?

[Gromit]

We don’t have a good relationship with Iran, we have a very bad one.
All the same, our interference at this time would not be helpful.

[Peter Pedant]

Any one remember this?

In March 1979, the white American feminist Kate Millett landed in Tehran, in the wake of one of the most significant revolutions of the 20th century. Just weeks earlier, the Shah—the monarch of Iran—had been overthrown. Millett arrived with a suitcase of recording equipment and her partner, filmmaker Sophie Kier. While there, Millett methodically recorded her whispered reflections on everything around her: the cups of tea with her hosts, the hours stuck in traffic, and the International Women’s Day celebration, which exploded into major protests against Ayatollah Khomeini’s new mandatory veiling laws.1

Millett’s whispers were the raw material for her own Going to Iran (1982),

They chucked her out double quick. She mistook the revolution as liberating. Later in the ONLY instance ever, the leddies of Iran voted to disenfranchise themselves
excuse me?
Any good wife should vote as her husband instructs
so we dont need one ( vote not husband that is!)

You dont?

well I am reminding you

[Peter Pedant]

//Ayatollah Khomeini was arrested and exiled in 1964. Amidst massive tensions between Khomeini and the Shah, //

at least they didnt kill him
Khomeini was busy dragging Iran back 1300 y and used the then modern technology ( recordings, tapes, photocopies etc) to effect his religious aims
Did anyone point out the irony - yup they did actually

[Gromit]

Khomeini spent his exile in Paris, and where he came across the latest technology and realised its potential for spreading islam, and his own power grab.

Remember the US shredding tens of thousands of top secret documents before leaving their embassy, and the Revolutionary Guards sellotaping them back together over the next 5 years. Did no one have a match?

[pimplyteen]

What, have another Afghanistan? keep our noses out of other countries laws. Besides we are to pre-occupied with what might come flying our way from Russia, so anything else is way down the list I'm afraid.