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Next Boss (And Tory Peer) Simon Wolfson, Shoots Himself In The Foot And Then Complains About A Pain In His Foot
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Whats your aim with all these posts hymie. If your wanting people to say " ok I see now I was wrong, so sorry for voting brexit, my bad, i was conned/or I was dumb" then its not going to happen and even if it does so what?
Are you hoping to persuade some people to press there MP to push for another refurendum... Or to vote for one of the smaller party's who might support asking to rejoin like the Greens , SNP or Liberal's.
Surely your going to get further by suggesting what you want than continually mocking brexiters and banging on with youtube clips from Remainers or private eye articles
Are you hoping to persuade some people to press there MP to push for another refurendum... Or to vote for one of the smaller party's who might support asking to rejoin like the Greens , SNP or Liberal's.
Surely your going to get further by suggesting what you want than continually mocking brexiters and banging on with youtube clips from Remainers or private eye articles
//..but according to Brexiteers that is indeed what we voted for.//
Really?
Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, here's another reason why My Lord Wolfson may have difficulty recruiting workers at his warehouses:
https:/
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Warehouse Operative (Rotherham):
Shift Patterns Available:
Wed-Sat/Thur-Sat 11.00 - 23.00
Fri-Mon Rotating (06:00 - 14:30/14:30-23:00)
Friday - Monday 06:00 - 16:30
This role does involve aspects of lifting, reaching and manoeuvring (you could walk up to 5 miles a day!) so you must be comfortable with physically demanding tasks.
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The pay rate for this exciting opportunity to walk up to five miles a day? £9.80 an hour. £17,836 pa for a 35 hour week. Roughly £15,700 after standard deductions.
Somebody doing this job who has a non-working partner and two children will receive just short of £7,000 pa in Child and Working Tax credits. So their pay will be increased by roughly 45%. So My Lord Wolf’s organisation is paying roughly two-thirds of the going rate and having the rest made up by the taxpayer. Any hard working migrants from the EU that he would like to see allowed to come here would be similarly supported |(before you consider minor disbursements such as education and healthcare).
So let's have a look at Rotherham, where Next is having difficulty recruiting. At the end of last June there were 36,600 people “economically inactive” in Rotherham:
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Of these, 3,200 want a job and 33,400 do not. Of those, when looking at the reasons for their inactivity, 3,500 stated “Other”. They are not students, retired, long term sick or caring for others. They simply don’t want to work. So there’s a little evidence (if any was needed) that some people simply don’t want to work. But it also demonstrates that My Lord Wolfson has some 6,700 people whom he might persuade to come and work for him in Rotherham. And before he stamps his feet to insist the UK should import unskilled labour to help him out, he might like to say why his workers (wherever they come from) should have a third of their wages paid by the taxpayer.
He needs to pay them more and the government needs to pay them less. Then the reset that this country’s economy needs might get under way.
Really?
Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, here's another reason why My Lord Wolfson may have difficulty recruiting workers at his warehouses:
https:/
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Warehouse Operative (Rotherham):
Shift Patterns Available:
Wed-Sat/Thur-Sat 11.00 - 23.00
Fri-Mon Rotating (06:00 - 14:30/14:30-23:00)
Friday - Monday 06:00 - 16:30
This role does involve aspects of lifting, reaching and manoeuvring (you could walk up to 5 miles a day!) so you must be comfortable with physically demanding tasks.
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The pay rate for this exciting opportunity to walk up to five miles a day? £9.80 an hour. £17,836 pa for a 35 hour week. Roughly £15,700 after standard deductions.
Somebody doing this job who has a non-working partner and two children will receive just short of £7,000 pa in Child and Working Tax credits. So their pay will be increased by roughly 45%. So My Lord Wolf’s organisation is paying roughly two-thirds of the going rate and having the rest made up by the taxpayer. Any hard working migrants from the EU that he would like to see allowed to come here would be similarly supported |(before you consider minor disbursements such as education and healthcare).
So let's have a look at Rotherham, where Next is having difficulty recruiting. At the end of last June there were 36,600 people “economically inactive” in Rotherham:
https:/
Of these, 3,200 want a job and 33,400 do not. Of those, when looking at the reasons for their inactivity, 3,500 stated “Other”. They are not students, retired, long term sick or caring for others. They simply don’t want to work. So there’s a little evidence (if any was needed) that some people simply don’t want to work. But it also demonstrates that My Lord Wolfson has some 6,700 people whom he might persuade to come and work for him in Rotherham. And before he stamps his feet to insist the UK should import unskilled labour to help him out, he might like to say why his workers (wherever they come from) should have a third of their wages paid by the taxpayer.
He needs to pay them more and the government needs to pay them less. Then the reset that this country’s economy needs might get under way.
My primary aim is to educate people on what a disaster Brexit is for the UK – many Brexiteers are woefully ignorant of this disaster, or simply refuse to believe the information I post from such organisations as the Office for National Statistics or the Office for Budget Responsibility the OECD and more, claiming them to be 5C organisations or just ‘Nazi propaganda’.
Someone once said ‘The powerful and stupid people have one thing in common, they don’t change their views to fit the facts, they change the facts to fit their views.’
That is what Brexiteers are doing.
Someone once said ‘The powerful and stupid people have one thing in common, they don’t change their views to fit the facts, they change the facts to fit their views.’
That is what Brexiteers are doing.
// Somebody doing this job who has a non-working partner and two children will receive just short of £7,000 pa in Child and Working Tax credits.//
// He needs to pay them more and the government needs to pay them less. //
Isn't this to overdramatize what is actually going on with warehouse operatives.
Most are likely to be young people without child dependants. A certain % too being Eastern European.
Let us remember also, child tax credits are an instrument that allows many to get back into work. They are means tested (household income and claims of up to 2 kids - I think). However it is a benefit available to all workers across all industrial sectors.
Why single out the warehouse trade?
// He needs to pay them more and the government needs to pay them less. //
Isn't this to overdramatize what is actually going on with warehouse operatives.
Most are likely to be young people without child dependants. A certain % too being Eastern European.
Let us remember also, child tax credits are an instrument that allows many to get back into work. They are means tested (household income and claims of up to 2 kids - I think). However it is a benefit available to all workers across all industrial sectors.
Why single out the warehouse trade?
Hymie: "My primary aim is to educate people on what a disaster Brexit is for the UK – many Brexiteers are woefully ignorant of this disaster, or simply refuse to believe the information I post from such organisations as the Office for National Statistics or the Office for Budget Responsibility the OECD and more, claiming them to be 5C organisations or just ‘Nazi propaganda’. " - and you think AB is a good organ to use for that? Are you involved in anything that would reach more people? Any sort of organised group, 5C R US for example? Can I look forward to seeing you on marches etc?
We expected issue with the economy but the problem now is we cannot easily distinguish between what is caused by Brexit and what is caused by the other Crises.
The 5Cers claim it's all down to brexit but anyone with an ounce of economic nous knows it's Brexit + Ukraine + Fuel Crises + Covid etc so the true economic effect of brexit is not quantifiable.
The 5Cers claim it's all down to brexit but anyone with an ounce of economic nous knows it's Brexit + Ukraine + Fuel Crises + Covid etc so the true economic effect of brexit is not quantifiable.
if you really do actually care about getting people currently out of work into work then the best thing to do is to fund mental health services to the highest possible standards... they are instrumental in getting people well enough to contribute and develop their skills...
if your main interest is looking down on people who aren't as fortunate as you then by all means continue to take anecdotes at face value when they confirm your existing prejudices about the unemployed
if your main interest is looking down on people who aren't as fortunate as you then by all means continue to take anecdotes at face value when they confirm your existing prejudices about the unemployed
//Why single out the warehouse trade?//
Because Lord Wolfson (the subject of this thread) apparently said this:
“We have got people queueing up to come to this country to pick crops that are rotting in fields, to work in warehouses that otherwise wouldn’t be operable, and we’re not letting them in,”
Whilst I accept that he was making a general point, Lord Wolfson is the CEO of “Next” and as far as I know that outfit does not deal in fruit and veg. Since it seems impossible here to make any remarks – however well founded – without cries for evidence, I thought I’d assemble some to show that (a) the taxpayer is paying to fund the low level of pay provided by companies like Lord Wolfson’s and (b) that instead of paying their staff adequately, executives like him see the solution to their plight (of being unable to recruit) in the continued influx of low-paid, low skilled workers from the EU.
The UK will not prosper whilst attitudes like this prevail because:1.
1. The taxpayer should not be subsidising the wages of the low paid. Their employers should pay them adequately.
2. The government should not be complicit by effectively condoning low pay.
3. Instead of calling for the importation of low-paid labour from abroad (with all the accompanying costs that involves), Lord Wolfson and his ilk should make working for them a more attractive proposition among those already here. This would cure their recruitment problems and also remove the need for (1).
Because Lord Wolfson (the subject of this thread) apparently said this:
“We have got people queueing up to come to this country to pick crops that are rotting in fields, to work in warehouses that otherwise wouldn’t be operable, and we’re not letting them in,”
Whilst I accept that he was making a general point, Lord Wolfson is the CEO of “Next” and as far as I know that outfit does not deal in fruit and veg. Since it seems impossible here to make any remarks – however well founded – without cries for evidence, I thought I’d assemble some to show that (a) the taxpayer is paying to fund the low level of pay provided by companies like Lord Wolfson’s and (b) that instead of paying their staff adequately, executives like him see the solution to their plight (of being unable to recruit) in the continued influx of low-paid, low skilled workers from the EU.
The UK will not prosper whilst attitudes like this prevail because:1.
1. The taxpayer should not be subsidising the wages of the low paid. Their employers should pay them adequately.
2. The government should not be complicit by effectively condoning low pay.
3. Instead of calling for the importation of low-paid labour from abroad (with all the accompanying costs that involves), Lord Wolfson and his ilk should make working for them a more attractive proposition among those already here. This would cure their recruitment problems and also remove the need for (1).
NJ, "The taxpayer should not be subsidising the wages of the low paid. Their employers should pay them adequately."
What amount should the National Minimum Wage be? How would you define "adequately"?
Should an employer pay a childless single employee the same amount as another employee who has a partner and two wee ones for example?
What amount should the National Minimum Wage be? How would you define "adequately"?
Should an employer pay a childless single employee the same amount as another employee who has a partner and two wee ones for example?
//the taxpayer is paying to fund the low level of pay provided by companies like Lord Wolfson’s//
The taxpayer is funding 'child tax credits'. A benefit also available to those not just on minimum wage!
Lord Wolfson - He was one of many CEOs to champion Brexit (his prerogative of course).
Since one of the supposed pledges of Brexit was to take back control of our borders, even before a Brexit deal had been finalised, it was evident that Europeans were leaving these shores in their droves.
It is difficult to accept that Wolfson may have been oblivious to all of this. Therefore, his pleas for more foreign workers to ease the plight of recruitment at Next warehouses, falls on unsympathetic ears.
The taxpayer is funding 'child tax credits'. A benefit also available to those not just on minimum wage!
Lord Wolfson - He was one of many CEOs to champion Brexit (his prerogative of course).
Since one of the supposed pledges of Brexit was to take back control of our borders, even before a Brexit deal had been finalised, it was evident that Europeans were leaving these shores in their droves.
It is difficult to accept that Wolfson may have been oblivious to all of this. Therefore, his pleas for more foreign workers to ease the plight of recruitment at Next warehouses, falls on unsympathetic ears.
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