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Is The Uk Heading Towards A Partial Return To The E/U.
Senior members of Sunak's Govt are reportedly planning to move Britain into a Swiss Style agreement with The E.U. Govt sources have suggested that pursuing frictionless trade means moving towards an agreement. .... Is this the start of rejoining the E.U..
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Hymie It's so much worse than that. Remainers had one goal...to remain in the EU. But there are so many different kinds of Leaver. You had those who wants to opt for a soft Brexit, those who wanted a hard Brexit, those who wanted a combination of the two (
14:42 Sun 20th Nov 2022
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Brexit doesn't affect much as such; the reaction of the EU does; as does pandemic reactions, and wars. (Not to mention the attitude of some demented foreign presidents.) So people can get over it since it doesn't impact on their lives, except for the buck more often stopping at our national government rather than at some uncaring unelected foreign elite.
"other possible relationships with the EU"
Sure would. Giving up on the bullying lot and going WTO, or even outside all, would be a good start. But we still hope that the EU might start acting reasonably at some stage, so we don't. But we still need to trigger Article 16, and withdraw from the ECHR.
Sure would. Giving up on the bullying lot and going WTO, or even outside all, would be a good start. But we still hope that the EU might start acting reasonably at some stage, so we don't. But we still need to trigger Article 16, and withdraw from the ECHR.
The Swiss have made lots of small deals with the EU, but the EU were willing to co-operate with them, but with the UK they are being as awkward & bloodyminded as they can be out of spite it seems to me.
I tried to order a Christmas-pudding from England; the pud was £13. & the postage was over £20.
I then ordered it through Amazon & the postage was £3.50
I tried to order a Christmas-pudding from England; the pud was £13. & the postage was over £20.
I then ordered it through Amazon & the postage was £3.50
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12:27 - "Covid, and now the Ukraine war, have been a very handy distraction/ excuse for the devastation Brexit has caused the UK economy. " - What a load of old pony. What's the reason for the rest of the world's economic woes then? It is pretty well impossible to extricate what the effect of brexit has been from among all the other crises. Typical remoaner obfuscation.
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//Why would you pretend not to have a preference between Brexit being an overall success or a failure?//
It depends how you measure success (or failure). My measure of success is that we are no longer EU members. It is an organisation we should never have joined and the only reason we remained in it for so long was in the hope that at some point it would do us some overall good. It never really did and was never likely to. Plus, of course, the longer we remained in, the more entangled we became with that wretched institution and the more difficult it became to leave.
What the country needs now is a government that will take advantage of our non-membership instead of a government and a Civil Service which continues to hanker after membership. Then it will be a success. However, we're not likely to get that any time soon so any failure to take advantage of Brexit is a government failure because they have to deal with things as they are, not as they'd like them to be.
//The huge impact it has had on all aspects of UK life can hardly be 'forgotten' and people can't just 'get on with it', as it impacts most people's lives on a daily basis.//
It does not impact on my life on a daily basis. In fact, I don’t think it has had any impact on my life at all in a practical sense (principally because the last six years have been wasted arguing the toss about what to do next). But it has had a huge impact on my personal satisfaction because we are no longer members – and I’m immensely pleased about that.
//I can only assume you are independently wealthy have staff to do your shopping and don't rely on exporting goods as your main source of income :-)//
I am not independently wealthy nor do I have staff to shop for me. Brexit has not affected my income (nor that of most people in the UK) and why having staff to shop for me would shelter me from any effects of Brexit is a little hard to fathom.
//Wouldn't trying to make it work include examining other possible relationships with the EU? //
It would, but the EU doesn’t do “other possible relationships” (as Switzerland is discovering).
//There was no mandate for a hard Brexit, remember.//
I don’t recall being asked what type of Brexit I wanted. I said I wanted the UK to leave and by leave I meant no longer being bound by any of its institutions. Anybody who voted to leave should have appreciated that’s what leaving a club means. But I will ask this (as I usually do when this issue is raised): what type of a “soft remain” do you think there would have been had the result been 52:48 to remain? What concessions would have been made to appease the disappointed losers?
//I doubt many small business owners can afford to agree with your principled stand.//
Possibly not. But they should have prepared for the worst instead of listening to the claptrap spouted by various politicians after the referendum. It was quite obvious that the EU would make life as difficult as possible for UK businesses because it is a protectionist organisation that welcomes no competition from outside the bloc. Fine if you only want to trade on sensible terms with members of the bloc. Not too clever if you want to shop elsewhere.
It depends how you measure success (or failure). My measure of success is that we are no longer EU members. It is an organisation we should never have joined and the only reason we remained in it for so long was in the hope that at some point it would do us some overall good. It never really did and was never likely to. Plus, of course, the longer we remained in, the more entangled we became with that wretched institution and the more difficult it became to leave.
What the country needs now is a government that will take advantage of our non-membership instead of a government and a Civil Service which continues to hanker after membership. Then it will be a success. However, we're not likely to get that any time soon so any failure to take advantage of Brexit is a government failure because they have to deal with things as they are, not as they'd like them to be.
//The huge impact it has had on all aspects of UK life can hardly be 'forgotten' and people can't just 'get on with it', as it impacts most people's lives on a daily basis.//
It does not impact on my life on a daily basis. In fact, I don’t think it has had any impact on my life at all in a practical sense (principally because the last six years have been wasted arguing the toss about what to do next). But it has had a huge impact on my personal satisfaction because we are no longer members – and I’m immensely pleased about that.
//I can only assume you are independently wealthy have staff to do your shopping and don't rely on exporting goods as your main source of income :-)//
I am not independently wealthy nor do I have staff to shop for me. Brexit has not affected my income (nor that of most people in the UK) and why having staff to shop for me would shelter me from any effects of Brexit is a little hard to fathom.
//Wouldn't trying to make it work include examining other possible relationships with the EU? //
It would, but the EU doesn’t do “other possible relationships” (as Switzerland is discovering).
//There was no mandate for a hard Brexit, remember.//
I don’t recall being asked what type of Brexit I wanted. I said I wanted the UK to leave and by leave I meant no longer being bound by any of its institutions. Anybody who voted to leave should have appreciated that’s what leaving a club means. But I will ask this (as I usually do when this issue is raised): what type of a “soft remain” do you think there would have been had the result been 52:48 to remain? What concessions would have been made to appease the disappointed losers?
//I doubt many small business owners can afford to agree with your principled stand.//
Possibly not. But they should have prepared for the worst instead of listening to the claptrap spouted by various politicians after the referendum. It was quite obvious that the EU would make life as difficult as possible for UK businesses because it is a protectionist organisation that welcomes no competition from outside the bloc. Fine if you only want to trade on sensible terms with members of the bloc. Not too clever if you want to shop elsewhere.
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