How Much More Will People Tolerate From This Dinosaur ?

[bazwillrun]

https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2022/shamima-begum-podcast-bbc-sounds

Looks like her leftie 'ooman rights laywers, do gooders et al have recruited the BBC to fight the good fight so she can return to the country she loves so much....

[Untitled]

do you 'take responsibility' for all of your opinions naomi on the grounds that what you say might somehow prove influential? i doubt it...

if there were for some reason a referendum or an election in which the victorious side promised to permit her return... and i voted for that side... then yes i would feel responsible... but that isn't going to happen

[Untitled]

even if begum IS guilty of a crime khandro is right... it is a judge and jury who should decide that

... in addition even if guilty there is no reason for her to be made stateless... ian huntley committed one of the worst crimes in living memory and he's still a uk citizen

[naomi24]

Untitled, if I supported her return to this country and that resulted in another Manchester Arena bombing or another 7/7 or a repeat of any of the myriad of atrocities that people of her mind-set have visited upon this country I would never forgive myself. Never.

The Huntley analogy doesn't work.

[THECORBYLOON]

"Corby, if public opinion in her favour alters her status, her supporters are responsible for the outcome."

I'm pretty sure that's not how responsibility would be determined.

[Khandro]

naomi: //Given our security services deem her potentially dangerous, I simply don’t understand the mentality that would put this country and its people at risk//

Then our security services are not fit for purpose & should be turning their attention instead on the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants flooding into the country, many of whom are dangerous criminals.

She's no more dangerous to British society than your cat.

[naomi24]

Khandro, //She's no more dangerous to British society than your cat. //

And you know this ... how?

[Khandro]

If she was dangerous, I'd see it in her eyes. I'm a very good judge of character. :0)

[naomi24]

Just as well we don't have to depend on you then, Khandro.

[bednobs]

i am one of those much bemoaned lefty liberals but even i can't understand the people who say she should be allowed to return!

[sandyRoe]

"I'm not a monster."
True, she was groomed as a child and when she got to the utopia she imagined she'd find in the Middle East she was married off and treated like little more than a brood mare.
She was victimised by the people who groomed her and now is being abused again by the government that should be protecting her.

[Untitled]

i doubt very much that SB is a good person... she has had a horrible life and been abused or neglected by just about everyone in it.... she is obviously a very damaged and yes possibly dangerous person...

even with that i struggle to see how the decision to remove her citizenship and also deny her the right of appeal is legal or defensible!

[Untitled]

worth remembering that whether or not you are a good person or even a safe one is completely irrelevant to your citizenship

[ZebuSanctuary]

// Is supporting a terrorist organisation not a crime //

This would be to criminalise those USA citizens who supported the IRA.

[bednobs]

since when have US citizens (presumably in the US) been subject to UK laws

[ZebuSanctuary]

// since when have US citizens (presumably in the US) been subject to UK laws //

My answer was in regard to the wider issue of international law and crimes against humanity, of which Begum now finds herself embroiled.

The UK government removed her British citizenship and the Netherlands is a non-starter. The motherland of her parents will not recognize her. In fact, Bangladesh have threatened her with the death penalty if she ventures into its territory.

Thus Begum is 'stateless' and her detractors seem unable to provide any evidence that she's committed terrorist crimes, other than to be a member of a terrorist organisation.

In Finland it is not against the law to be a member of a terrorist group. The USA administration turned a blind eye when some of its civilians were openly supporting the IRA. Therefore I see no reason why the UK should deny her British citizenship on the basis she joined a TO in her adolescence.

Begum's situation does not sit well with me!