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Brexit Costs Us £750 Million A Week. Let's Spend It On The Nhs Instead
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//I’m not sure why NJ is not ringing in to this program to put James O’Brien and his callers’ right.//
Mainly because James O'Brien is one of the most sanctimonious, self-righteous and insulting presenters on the radio. And I say that not because of his views, but because of his manner. I wouldn't spend ten seconds contributing to his daily diatribes.
Any news on a source for the £80bn?
Mainly because James O'Brien is one of the most sanctimonious, self-righteous and insulting presenters on the radio. And I say that not because of his views, but because of his manner. I wouldn't spend ten seconds contributing to his daily diatribes.
Any news on a source for the £80bn?
^^^O’Brian is a dreadful presenter.
As NJ says, not because of his views, but just because he’s an obnoxious prat.
He’s one of those ultra left wing pillocks who, if the Tories cured cancer, he’d say they didn’t do it soon enough.
Anybody who pays any credence to what he says, needs to question their own values.
As NJ says, not because of his views, but just because he’s an obnoxious prat.
He’s one of those ultra left wing pillocks who, if the Tories cured cancer, he’d say they didn’t do it soon enough.
Anybody who pays any credence to what he says, needs to question their own values.
As a teaser to your request re the 80 billion pound figure - the UK lost 40 billion pounds in tax revenue; which makes my figure of 80 billion pounds look low, unless the government is taking 50% of our GDP.
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No doubt the Brexiteers will cry ‘fake news’.
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No doubt the Brexiteers will cry ‘fake news’.
//No doubt the Brexiteers will cry ‘fake news’.//
Not if they read it, they won't. The "news" is an article on Mr Springford's report (which puts losses at £40bn). It is exactly the same report which was cited to open this question two days ago.
If you read Mr Springford's report you will find it is highly speculative and is based on his "doppelganger" economy which he has constructed and to which he compares the real economy. His figures (which calculate a loss of 5.5% to the UK's GDP) is not supported by the ONS figures which I quoted earlier. It's certainly not fake news; but it is news of an opinion, not a fact. Furthermore, the ITV article states quite clearly that it is difficult, if not impossible to disentangle the effects of Brexit on the economy with other major influences, and Mr Springford's report does not seem to address this problem. It seems he assumes that any losses - real or imagined - are mainly caused by Brexit.
So, since we seem to have come full circle, we've seen one opinion of the UK's economy loss put at £40bn. Any news on where the £80bn figure came from?
Not if they read it, they won't. The "news" is an article on Mr Springford's report (which puts losses at £40bn). It is exactly the same report which was cited to open this question two days ago.
If you read Mr Springford's report you will find it is highly speculative and is based on his "doppelganger" economy which he has constructed and to which he compares the real economy. His figures (which calculate a loss of 5.5% to the UK's GDP) is not supported by the ONS figures which I quoted earlier. It's certainly not fake news; but it is news of an opinion, not a fact. Furthermore, the ITV article states quite clearly that it is difficult, if not impossible to disentangle the effects of Brexit on the economy with other major influences, and Mr Springford's report does not seem to address this problem. It seems he assumes that any losses - real or imagined - are mainly caused by Brexit.
So, since we seem to have come full circle, we've seen one opinion of the UK's economy loss put at £40bn. Any news on where the £80bn figure came from?
It’s very difficult to comprehend the Brexiteers denial of the damage done to the UK economy – all the reputable organisations are quoting a loss of around 5.5% to the UK economy, but the Brexiteers don’t recognise those numbers.
Of course some have given up on the economy and the Brexit sunny uplands, claiming Brexit was never about the economy, it was about something else.
Quite how long NJ can keep up the pretence that Brexit has caused minimal damage to the UK economy remains to be seen.
Of course some have given up on the economy and the Brexit sunny uplands, claiming Brexit was never about the economy, it was about something else.
Quite how long NJ can keep up the pretence that Brexit has caused minimal damage to the UK economy remains to be seen.
//Quite how long NJ can keep up the pretence that Brexit has caused minimal damage to the UK economy remains to be seen.//
I'm pretending nothing of the sort. I've not commented on whether the economic impact of Brexit is minimal or not. The main reason for that is that I don't particularly care one way or the other.
But every time you mention your "£80bn pa" figure I ask you to substantiate it and you never have. You won't even discuss the difference between your figure and Mr Springford's much lower estimate of £40bn pa. You seem to have adopted the strategy that if you repeat something enough times people will believe it.
It may interest you to learn that Mr Springford's report was produced in his role as a member for "The Centre for European Reform." This a think-tank devoted - according to its website - to making the European Union work better and strengthening its role in the world. It claims, among other things: "The CER is pro-European but not uncritical. We regard European integration as largely beneficial but recognise that in many respects the Union does not work well."
It's good that among its studies, it recognises that "...in many respects the Union does not work well." Lots of people could have told them that without them going to the trouble of investigating it. But quite how the economic effect of Brexit has on the UK economy has anything to do with that organisation - other to use it to claim that nations cannot thrive unless they are EU members - is a little unclear.
I'm pretending nothing of the sort. I've not commented on whether the economic impact of Brexit is minimal or not. The main reason for that is that I don't particularly care one way or the other.
But every time you mention your "£80bn pa" figure I ask you to substantiate it and you never have. You won't even discuss the difference between your figure and Mr Springford's much lower estimate of £40bn pa. You seem to have adopted the strategy that if you repeat something enough times people will believe it.
It may interest you to learn that Mr Springford's report was produced in his role as a member for "The Centre for European Reform." This a think-tank devoted - according to its website - to making the European Union work better and strengthening its role in the world. It claims, among other things: "The CER is pro-European but not uncritical. We regard European integration as largely beneficial but recognise that in many respects the Union does not work well."
It's good that among its studies, it recognises that "...in many respects the Union does not work well." Lots of people could have told them that without them going to the trouble of investigating it. But quite how the economic effect of Brexit has on the UK economy has anything to do with that organisation - other to use it to claim that nations cannot thrive unless they are EU members - is a little unclear.
Hymie, you keep on whining, with boring regularity, about Brexit, presumably to get posters to agree with you.
Those that don’t agree with you will never agree with you, and posting biased links really does your cause no favours.
You don’t like the fact that democracy won which, frankly, is your problem.
It doesn’t make those that exercised their right stupid or necessarily wrong, and it’s insulting to those that won to keep on whining like a stuck pig.
The simple fact of the matter is that we’re out.
I didn’t like the result, but the majority of those that voted decided to vote out, so democracy won the day, and your bleating amounts to the square root of F all and achieves absolutely nothing.
We are where we are and need to make the best of it.
Give it up - you’re boring.
Those that don’t agree with you will never agree with you, and posting biased links really does your cause no favours.
You don’t like the fact that democracy won which, frankly, is your problem.
It doesn’t make those that exercised their right stupid or necessarily wrong, and it’s insulting to those that won to keep on whining like a stuck pig.
The simple fact of the matter is that we’re out.
I didn’t like the result, but the majority of those that voted decided to vote out, so democracy won the day, and your bleating amounts to the square root of F all and achieves absolutely nothing.
We are where we are and need to make the best of it.
Give it up - you’re boring.
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