Nhs Charges For Those That Already Pay For The Service?

[youngmafbog]

Good old Red Ken Clarke, wants those that actually pay for the NHS to pay for GP's so those that dont pay (workshy/health tourists etc) get it free. All the save 'Our wonderful' NHS. I wonder if we will get an opt out of the NI payments too?

Personally I think the NHS is pretty much finished. No one has the balls to fix it (Although Wes Streeting has made some positive noises)

Its really looking like Gully might be right, CINO's are toast.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11614055/Middle-class-face-modest-charges-use-GPs-minor-ops-plans-save-NHS.html

[rowanwitch]

I think the way forward is compulsory health insurance for the day to day stuff with the NHS being an emergency service provider and provider of Children's healthcare. This would need to be planned for and introduced over an extended period to allow people to adapt to what is a cultural change. A lot longer than the term of a government, possibly 10 or more years. There must be an affordable insurance scheme, that you can only opt out from if you have a better scheme in place. There also needs to be time for the private healthcare system to expand to take up the slack, and existing services to introduce the finance systems for a half and half model.service
There should be no access to the free part except in a genuine emergency for those visitors to the UK without insurance, where there is not a reciprocal treatment arrangement between their government and ours in place. It should always have been emergency treatment and send home, it just didn't get enforced. Staff who tried were branded inhumane and or racist.
As for the non contributing members of society it should be possible to fund a basic insurance with adjustments to the benefit system. Covering the cost of basic healthcare insurance for that section of society should be cheaper than running a totally free service.

Yes I know this will lead to increased social division, those who can afford it may get better care, well if you choose to spend your money that you have earned on better healthcare you probably do already or why shouldn't you. You almost certainly have better housing, a better car and your children may go to better schools. I am sure I will be attacked for this, but sometimes when something is broken you have to pay for a replacement.

[Canary42]

The reason the NHS is struggling is as a result of the relentless undermining by the Profits-Before-People party who voted against its establishment in 1948 and have consistently tried to destroy it ever since.

[youngmafbog]

That is utter garbage Canary and it is people like you that have prevented the NHS from moving with the times leaving us in the mess we are in now.

Thanks mate.

[Peter Pedant]

Gully ma y be right but we will never know as a mod will delete any of the threads - ter daah ! - joke

[Peter Pedant]

yeah canary is a bit wonky on this one

Harold Wilson resigned 1950 or so over the introduction of shilling prescription charges

1970s Labour bust a gut trying to stop private care ( altho 1974 Barbara Castle was correctly accused of using private care)
tray tray embarassing for her

[webbo3]

An ever increasing population isn't helping, remember, not everyone who comes here works for the NHS but everyone who comes here can use the NHS.

[jno]

sn ever ageing and sickening population too. The idea was to give everyone an equal chance of living to 100, but not designed for a world in which they did so.

[Togo]

The NHS could instead of actually carrying out the treatment and care of it's patients/clients , contract it all out to private hospital care ... like they do for it's own employees. That is right ... NHS staff needing operations or treatment are sent for private care. Sometimes in NHS hospitals and buildings. Do they then pay themselves but send us the bill?

[Hymie]

And there was me thinking the horrendous state of the NHS was due to the incompetent Tory government – when it was Canary’s fault all along.

[Old_Geezer]

We already have compulsory health insurance. It's part of national insurance and helps pay for the NHS.

It needs fixing not attacking.

[youngmafbog]

Your fault too Hymie, the NHS needs change but people like you always use it as a political football hence the mess we are in now.

Even labour, well Wes Streeting, are seeing this now but the likes you you still harp on.

Surprised it isnt Brexit's fault though.

[drmorgans]

So the American model, paying more for a poorer service, lots extra from admin / management and litigation.

[Zacs-Master]

‘contract it all out’

Togo, that’s plainly not the truth.

[Hymie]

I never thought I had such power to wreck the NHS; if only I could wreck the Tory government – oh hang on, I think I’ve managed that too.

[gulliver1]

Hymie 21.17 Have no fear, this Tory Govt are wrecking themselves. Must be many Torys limping about with bullet holes in their feet.