How Long Can Zahawi Hang On?

[Hymie]

Now that the boss of HMRC has said no one pays penalties for innocent tax errors, even TTT must be regretting giving him his support.

And Deskdiary asked me ‘have you considered that your thread was deleted because you were lying?’

It looks like the one who is lying is Zahawi.

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1824709.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64410490

[douglas9401]

How long does the toaster take?

[Peter Pedant]

And Deskdiary asked me ‘have you considered that your thread was deleted because you were lying?’

perceived as lying by the deleters....

Harra was the one telling poikies - innocent ( zero penalty) was 'not negligent' - BUT forgetting or ignorane is taken as negligent ergo

I have paid a penalty. ("you can appeal if you want: you will be turned down"). I was watching the charade as a small lickle fella would watch Wackford Squeers at Dotheboys Hall.

(Kinda like Clinton- I did nart have sex with that woman)

[Peter Pedant]

And the Lion will lie down with the Lamb
( lion, liar geddit)
HMRC and the tax payer - easy meat

[ToraToraTora]

Where have I given him support? I don't think I've even commented on this item at all, anywhere. Still always nice to have fans I suppose.

[Peter Pedant]

Harra is head of HMRC and was on tel
oops
yeah TTT people who read and understand you
or - if you aint ever done it - read and misunderstand you

this is life

[fripfrip]

He's paid up so why don't people shut up?

[gulliver1]

Frip Frip .He has only paid up because he was caught out. That's why people do not shut up. Ok.

[douglas9401]

"Now that the boss of HMRC has said no one pays penalties for innocent tax errors..."

Honourable gentlemen don't get accused of dodginess between the lines after getting caught, or rather they do, keeping on denying this and that right up until the taxi arrives to take them on to the rest of their disgusting, hypocritical life.

[bobbinwales]

Zahawi is toast - he'll either smell the coffee or he's got to go when the reviews finished next week.
But lets be fair and be gratefull that his paid more tax in one year than 95% of us will pay in are lifetimes

[fripfrip]

HMRC also make mistakes,i was PAYE all my working life and they had first dabs on my wages,yet when i retired they told me i owed them money because they had been taxing me wrong,even though they had set my tax for the 52 years i had been working and i had to pay them out of my pension and could not challenge their decision.OK

[nicebloke1]

HMRC NEVER start an investigation they cant win, and will cover all costs of that investigation plus the amount outstanding, plus the fine. They knew this big slimey fish was already on the hook, all that was left to do, was reel him in.

[douglas9401]

Grateful he paid or grateful he was nabbed? Because had he not been rumbled he would not have paid.

[Peter Pedant]

Nicey is wrong - HMRC do a certain proportion of spot checks. They also have flags to flag up past naughtiness. It is SAID that if you have an acct you are LESS likely to be investigated - not sure about that one.

Zahawi's relations are likely to be flagged - FOREVER ! - like his papa

You are all a bit innocent and wet behind the ears innit

[Peter Pedant]

fripfrip - I was taxed on my brudduz gross income once
and another time
the clerk input my pension twice - once as pension and once as earned income. - so they wanted tens of thousands of pounds of unpaid tax at 4 weeks notice.
Notice was machine generated and no one checked

there is no cause of action of negligent assessment of tax
good huh ?

[Hopkirk]

I don't understand how the word 'careless' can be used to such an obvious tax avoidance.

[Peter Pedant]

Once they get peed off, zay have a leedol ploy
"we think you owe £10 000 extra tax - show us why not"
[God didnt anyone watch the Seame St special " Gonzo and friends and Sched D tax assessment"? Obviously not, too busy].

Someone a year or so got a Dear John letter for £5.5m - and PAID !
Meant that the taxman cdnt continue investigating I think

[nicebloke1]

Spot checks = little flags, to many little flags = investigation if, the amount involved is worth it.An accountant can only work with the numbers YOU have provided. The accountant will always be in the clear.

[Peter Pedant]

I don't understand how the word 'careless' can be used to such an obvious tax avoidance.

watch the whole lot again
avoidance is lawful. ergo ( ergo negligence doesnt come into it)

Girlie MP questioning Harra ( Hd HMRC ) today
" Negligence means being foo-foo, and has a general meaning...."
Harra smiles at her obvious ignorance

Negligence at common law is NOT the same as negligence in tax law and penalties. Harra knows this, MP doesnt.
Result - obvious confusion, intended by ONE party
This allows Harra to come out with honeyed words - "of course if is just an innocent error, no one no one not even the hardest hearted tax man....."
MP ( Labour) smiles grimly as she assures herself she was RIGHT

he (Harra) does a whoopsie - - "innocent in the tax penalty legislation is defined as non-negligent" - which almost gives the game away, and squares the circle.

[Peter Pedant]

No Nicey
accountants are NOT always in the clear
they can be sued for negligence (*)
and of course - heavens! - accountants have gone to prison (+)
( when things hur hur hur didnt add up)

(*) Didnt Arthur Andersen go tots up when screwed for negligent audit on Enron? (american case)

(+) Madoff of course - foreign case - who Made Off with other peoples moolah - ter daah

[nicebloke1]

You have to then ask, who made the careless mistake? Regarding any small fry( naughty boys and girls) that may have a few little flags.Your are right, a letter of concern normally results in a much better set of accounts the following year.Cheaper than a investigation.