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Why When Brexit Is Going So Well, Do We Have Someone Who Backed Brexit Saying This In The House Of Lords?
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"The introduction of the Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill has not received huge coverage in the wake of so much political upheaval recently but will ‘sunset’ (revoke) any piece of retained EU Law by 31st December 2023 unless specific legislation is introduced to retain it.
There is provision to extend the ‘sunset’ date to 23rd June 2026 in certain cases (the significance of this date being it marks the 10th anniversary of the Brexit referendum). There is also the power to modify, restate, replace and update retained EU Law. Notably, this can be done without parliamentary scrutiny. However, a restatement could present an opportunity to simplify legislation in areas which are calling out for reform."
There is provision to extend the ‘sunset’ date to 23rd June 2026 in certain cases (the significance of this date being it marks the 10th anniversary of the Brexit referendum). There is also the power to modify, restate, replace and update retained EU Law. Notably, this can be done without parliamentary scrutiny. However, a restatement could present an opportunity to simplify legislation in areas which are calling out for reform."
//The Brexiteer justification for Brexit become more bizarre with each passing day…//
What’s bizarre about the (one and only) justification I have made for leaving the EU – i.e. that we are now no longer a member of a protectionist organisation which has done us little good during the term of our membership and which exhibits a considerable democratic deficit?
//That rubbish about losing paid holidays and maternity rights as been shown to be false but you keep repeating it.//
Indeed, Bob. So let’s put to bed, once again, the fallacy that it was the EU that was responsible for these rights:
//...such as the right to paid holiday leave…//
Paid holiday leave was introduced by the “Holidays with Pay Act”. It was introduced in 1938, a mere 34 years before the UK joined the EU.
//…and maternity rights etc//
The UK introduced its first maternity leave legislation through the Employment Protection Act 1975. The rights bestowed by that legislation were built upon (at no request from the EU), long before the EU got round to harmonising the provisions across Europe in 1993.
And of course that doesn’t go into the examination of evidence (if any should be available) that the UK is planning to end these rights. Hymie is confused by the plan to remove EU-based legislation from the statute books and assumes that none of it will be retained or replaced. Easy mistake to make when you are so obsessed by EU dogma:
//Because the government has set that deadline for the Bill to remove EU retained law to pass into law.//
So let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that your fears are well founded and that the law on (say) paid leave is one that the government forgets to retain or replace. Do you honestly believe that all workers will suddenly have their leave entitlement reduced to zero on 1st January 2024? Do their contracts of employment suddenly become void on that date? Should they all cancel any holiday plans they might have for next year? Have you really thought this through? (No, don't bother to answer any of these questions because I know the answers to all of them - including the last one).
//…an additional 6% food inflation//
Current food price inflation in the UK is 16.7%. In the Netherlands it is 17.3%, Sweden 18.2%, Croatia 19.0%, Portugal 20.5%, Germany and Poland 20.7%. In most of the eastern EU members it is in the high 20s:
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As far as I know, all of those countries are EU members. So is Brexit the cause of their excessive food price inflation as well as ours? Or have you considered that there could be - just might be - other factors in play? Don’t you check a few of these things before posting your hysterical ramblings?
What’s bizarre about the (one and only) justification I have made for leaving the EU – i.e. that we are now no longer a member of a protectionist organisation which has done us little good during the term of our membership and which exhibits a considerable democratic deficit?
//That rubbish about losing paid holidays and maternity rights as been shown to be false but you keep repeating it.//
Indeed, Bob. So let’s put to bed, once again, the fallacy that it was the EU that was responsible for these rights:
//...such as the right to paid holiday leave…//
Paid holiday leave was introduced by the “Holidays with Pay Act”. It was introduced in 1938, a mere 34 years before the UK joined the EU.
//…and maternity rights etc//
The UK introduced its first maternity leave legislation through the Employment Protection Act 1975. The rights bestowed by that legislation were built upon (at no request from the EU), long before the EU got round to harmonising the provisions across Europe in 1993.
And of course that doesn’t go into the examination of evidence (if any should be available) that the UK is planning to end these rights. Hymie is confused by the plan to remove EU-based legislation from the statute books and assumes that none of it will be retained or replaced. Easy mistake to make when you are so obsessed by EU dogma:
//Because the government has set that deadline for the Bill to remove EU retained law to pass into law.//
So let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that your fears are well founded and that the law on (say) paid leave is one that the government forgets to retain or replace. Do you honestly believe that all workers will suddenly have their leave entitlement reduced to zero on 1st January 2024? Do their contracts of employment suddenly become void on that date? Should they all cancel any holiday plans they might have for next year? Have you really thought this through? (No, don't bother to answer any of these questions because I know the answers to all of them - including the last one).
//…an additional 6% food inflation//
Current food price inflation in the UK is 16.7%. In the Netherlands it is 17.3%, Sweden 18.2%, Croatia 19.0%, Portugal 20.5%, Germany and Poland 20.7%. In most of the eastern EU members it is in the high 20s:
https:/
As far as I know, all of those countries are EU members. So is Brexit the cause of their excessive food price inflation as well as ours? Or have you considered that there could be - just might be - other factors in play? Don’t you check a few of these things before posting your hysterical ramblings?
The prospect of thousands of laws being sunsetted in 10 months time is a recipe for chaos. There is simply not the time to introduce replacements. The deadline is ridiculously short because they want to get this done before the voters throw them out. What should take several years is going to be rushed and bad law will be the result.
Of course NJ is correct in that should the right to paid holiday leave by lost, employees have an employment contract which gives them this right. But what would happen is that new employees may not be given this benefit, and the company could change the current employees contract to remove that right.
Although the employees could refuse to sign the new contract, the employer could then dismiss them – and the employees only recourse would be to claim constructive dismissal.
You might not think that this could happen to you – but it happened to me, in that one of my employers unilaterally changed all the employee’s contracts – saying that any who refused to accept the new contract would be dismissed.
Although the employees could refuse to sign the new contract, the employer could then dismiss them – and the employees only recourse would be to claim constructive dismissal.
You might not think that this could happen to you – but it happened to me, in that one of my employers unilaterally changed all the employee’s contracts – saying that any who refused to accept the new contract would be dismissed.
hymie: "You might not think that this could happen to you – but it happened to me, in that one of my employers unilaterally changed all the employee’s contracts – saying that any who refused to accept the new contract would be dismissed. " - Well clearly your employer did not need your talents. Are you suggesting they should have been forced to keep you on?
//You might not think that this could happen to you – but it happened to me, in that one of my employers unilaterally changed all the employee’s contracts – saying that any who refused to accept the new contract would be dismissed.//
Employers have always had the right to unilaterally change contracts of employment. They had it before we joined the EU; they had it all the time we were members and they still have it now we've left. The situation you describe has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU or with Brexit.
But back to something which has: do you seriously believe that this (or any other) government will preside over a situation where either paid holidays or paid maternity leave are no longer a right? I've demonstrated to you (more than once) that you are completely wrong in your belief that many of the rights we have been granted were only enacted because of our EU membership. They either were or would have been available had we been EU members or not. So why do you believe that these rights will suddenly be withdrawn? Help me out a bit here. Citizens of this country simply do not need the protection that you believe only the EU can provide. And since the UK is no longer a member and is unlikely to rejoin any time soon (if ever), you need to get used to that idea.
Employers have always had the right to unilaterally change contracts of employment. They had it before we joined the EU; they had it all the time we were members and they still have it now we've left. The situation you describe has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU or with Brexit.
But back to something which has: do you seriously believe that this (or any other) government will preside over a situation where either paid holidays or paid maternity leave are no longer a right? I've demonstrated to you (more than once) that you are completely wrong in your belief that many of the rights we have been granted were only enacted because of our EU membership. They either were or would have been available had we been EU members or not. So why do you believe that these rights will suddenly be withdrawn? Help me out a bit here. Citizens of this country simply do not need the protection that you believe only the EU can provide. And since the UK is no longer a member and is unlikely to rejoin any time soon (if ever), you need to get used to that idea.
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