Beware The Consequences Of Pedestrian-Rage

[Canary42]

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/pedestrian-caused-cyclist-fall-front-115813701.html

[barry1010]

Specialists will have examined that footage far better than any of us can, possibly footage from other cameras and dash cams. If that lady had pushed her there would be no doubt.

[choux]

Canary, there is a further video in this link showing the pavement section from the other side of the street.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11814693/Disabled-woman-jailed-three-years-manslaughter-cyclist-vows-appeal-source-claims.html
1.) The "incident" occurs by the no-entry sign approx half way along the part of the building featured which appears to be 4-6 metres (?) from the side turning.
2.) Grey is reported as saying that the cyclist was approaching at speed, which suggests Ward was cycling from straight ahead on the pavement rather than from the side turning which has a car park area.
3.) The pavement surface appears not to be smooth and even with (at least) 1 raised manhole cover.
I also note this was a retrial.

[THECORBYLOON]

The incident happens by the lamp post which is after the road sign and the manhole cover.

[THECORBYLOON]

Ignore my last answer, you are correct.

[choux]

TCL, have another look at the video I have just given.
The cyclist's front wheel comes off that manhole cover - check out the discolouration of the tarmac in both videos.

[choux]

Thanks :)

[Ellipsis]

The local news (top story) shows exactly where the road is:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001jnl1/look-east-late-02032023

Oddly enough, somebody cycles past the reporter as she was on TV. You can see how much the cyclist had (or not) space to drive along past a lamppost and a pedestrian with cerebral palsy and sight issues.

[choux]

I do wonder if Grey's cognitive issues have been understated.

Poor female driver :(
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11816061/Traumatised-mother-ran-cyclist-77-fell-road-says-lifes-ruined.html

[choux]

It still bothers me that the judge determined the pathway had shared usage when, apparently, there is no official record confirmation. It seems that signs have been added accordingly after the cyclist's death.

Could the judge have other than neutral thoughts?
https://www.cyclinguk.org/news/20151130-judge-enright-gets-just-right

[Ellipsis]

Highway Code

62 ... Some cycle tracks shared with pedestrians will not be separated by such a feature. On such shared use routes, you should always take care when passing pedestrians, especially children, older or disabled people, and allow them plenty of room. Always be prepared to slow down and stop if necessary ...

As I said, the cyclist should have given space for the disabled pedestrian, and should have stopped. If that had happened, there would have been no death.

[kuiperbelt]

choux\Grey is reported as saying that the cyclist was approaching at speed, which suggests Ward was cycling from straight ahead on the pavement\

Wouldn't the normal response of a pedestrian seeing someone on a bicycle approaching at speed, be to step aside or just remain rooted to the spot allowing the cyclist to pass?

[choux]

I cannot recall seeing other clips of police interviews being released by the CPS and wonder the reason for this. Grey was convicted at the second trial and awaits an appeal. In the meantime she resides on a hospital wing until another suitable facility is found for her.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11872013/Childlike-partially-blind-woman-remember-moments-cyclist-killed-car.html

[barry1010]

Kuip, no room to step aside unless she stepped in to traffic. When you are partially sighted things can suddenly ‘loom’ in front of you, it can be disconcerting and give a fright

[gness]

It was obvious from the start that the woman made contact with the cyclist causing her to fall into the road. You can see that if you look carefully. The angle of the pedestrian's arm and the direction of the fall after being pushed.
She has now admitted that she did make contact but "lightly".
However "lightly" she caused the death of Mrs Ward.
She lied all through the interview. She said that she was asking the cyclist to slow down. She remembered that well enough but suddenly couldn't remember what she actually did shout when told that the clip also had sound and it was played to her.
Had she killed one of mine in this way would I be happy with the sentence? I very much doubt it.

[Zacs-Master]

'the judge determined the pathway had shared usage when, apparently, there is no official record confirmation'

Grounds for appeal, maybe?

[choux]

Zacs, this item states "But the police, in their evidence, said they could not categorically state that the route in question was a shared cycleway and the county council could find no legal records showing that it was.

And according to Department for Transport guidance on cycle infrastructure design — issued to councils in July 2020 — shared routes should be at least three metres wide on roads used by up to 300 cyclists per hour and 4.5 metres wide on roads used by more than 300 cyclists per hour.

The stretch of pavement where Celia Ward fell off her bike into the path of an oncoming Volkswagen Passat was just 2.4 metres wide and there wasn't a sign indicating a 'shared path'.

The pavement was certainly used by cyclists but unlawfully, it seems."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11845985/Did-pavement-killer-Auriol-Grey-REALLY-deserve-three-years-jail-shooing-cyclist-road.html

[choux]

I find the lawfulness, or otherwise, of cycling on this pavement very contentious.

[THECORBYLOON]

Whether lawful or no, is it reasonable to cause the cyclist to fall into the path of a car?

[barry1010]

As I said, she is partially sighted and things do rush at you which can cause an automatic reflex, being startled causes a reaction

[Zacs-Master]

'I find the lawfulness, or otherwise, of cycling on this pavement very contentious.'

Me too. The victim, God rest her soul, didn't appear too in control of her bicycle. The contact seems vey slight and she appears to be already turning before the contact was made.

Of course it's not 'reasonable' to make the cyclist fall into the road, how could it be? But you have to admit that, if she hadn't been there, it wouldn't have happened.