Casey Review Report

[Peter Pedant]

is here
shortish - 363 pages which means the pundits have had time to read it

https://www.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/met/about-us/baroness-casey-review/update-march-2023/baroness-casey-review-march-2023.pdf

Trenchant views - "and in the queue, interests of the Londoners come last".

"The Met has failed to protect the public against officers who abuse women" - oo-er Chief Constable!

Abers, need a question: er once you have waded thro it, what do you think?

[Peter Pedant]

Jesus well this has caught ABers imaginations

commissioner Rowley announced - Today we arrested and charged a mann for rape who was NOT a serving member of the Met

ter-daaah ay thank yew.

The Times had op-ed - Apologies dished out on a regular basis and then nothing else happens

[Gromit]

Tells us nothing we didn’t already know.
And they are too scared to break it up, so nothing will change.

[jackthehat]

The Met have *always* been a rogue constabulary. Almost every other police force has had a low opinion of the body, as a whole, and the officers as a group of individuals.
They relaxed/reduced the joining-requirements to encourage recruitment and as a consequence got far too many manifestly unsuitable applicants who weren't weeded out during the application process.
It is a shame that this is one area where 'market-forces' cannot be applied and a private service be set-up as competition in order to 'keep the King's peace'.

[anneasquith]

We can only comment on what we have/had experience of. IMO the Met were racist in the 70’s

[youngmafbog]

//IMO the Met were racist in the 70’s//

That could be applied to just about every institution in the 70's, different time and totally irrelevant to the Met today.

[anneasquith]

The subject is the Met though .

[youngmafbog]

//They relaxed/reduced the joining-requirements to encourage recruitment and as a consequence got far too many manifestly unsuitable applicants who weren't weeded out during the application process.//

Interesting, any ideas how you weed out unsuitable applicants? Unless they are openly a problem, which most wont have been at interview, unless you have some sort of lie detector that works.

There are a few problems with the Met. Head of the list has to be the "woke" agenda from the top, that has meant the respect of authority is lost at the lower ranks and breeds this sort of behaviour. Couple that with the closing of Hendon and loss of central training (which can help weed out the wrong uns) and its a recipe for disaster.

Of course the drive for diversity hasnt helped either, standards lowered to get people in and of course the sort of people you get in are not the sort you want in authority.

However it is easy to sit and bash the Police, the majority of whom wish to do a good job nicking criminals (not mean tweets), so we need out of the box thinking. I'm glad to see some of the suggestions follow on from what I said the other week i.e. to split the Force (and yes it needs to be back to a Force) down into manageable chunks.

[youngmafbog]

//The subject is the Met though .//

No, the subject is the Met today.

[jackthehat]

///..... totally irrelevant to the Met today.///

Except that, according to the Casey Report, it's not.
The rotten apples of the 60's and 70's were allowed to taint many of those who came after.
Opportunities to sort this out, root and branch, were never taken and so we are where we are today....

[jackthehat]

///Interesting, any ideas how you weed out unsuitable applicants? ///

The systems that other Police Forces implemented had, by and large, a better level of success. The rules and standards that other county constabularies had in place for applicants were relaxed, for the Met, because it needed to be a larger force to deal with our capital city.

[Peter Pedant]

We can only comment on what we have/had experience of.
noop
look at the whole of AB

"I cant say if the Met are racist, because I am not black" seems like a bit of a long shot to me ( I am clearly commenting on something I havent experienced.) blimey

[Peter Pedant]

/Interesting, any ideas how you weed out unsuitable applicants? //
no one with a conviction for rape would be a good start....

The issue is the Met today - erm not sure in my opinion,
As a fact that it was racist 20y ago I think is relevant as it shows lack of impetus to change

[Peter Pedant]

has everyone forgotten heathrow - thiefrow
that sir Robt Mark was brought in to clear up ?

the met should arrest more criminals than it employs ( Robt Mark 1964)

[youngmafbog]

I still fail to see what something was like 50 years ago has to do with what they are today, apart from yes they havnt changed.

As for the other forces, they have not been so hamstrung with the diversity quotas in addition they are massive compared to other forces.

Also, perhaps cases in other forces havnt come to light yet?

[Peter Pedant]

I still fail to see what something was like 50 years ago has to do with what they are today, apart from yes they havnt changed.

I still fail to see what something was like now, 25 50 years ago has to do with now, apart from yes they havent changed.
that is the point: they havent changed despite notice

[Peter Pedant]

hey have not been so hamstrung with the diversity quotas
erm sooooo
Couzens raped and killed a white girl because of the oppressive diversity quotas

got it ! - I am getting into the AB mentality

[sp1814]

"Of course the drive for diversity hasnt helped either, standards lowered to get people in and of course the sort of people you get in are not the sort you want in authority."

How does that work?

With no drive for a diverse Met in the 70s, why was it so riven with racism?

With a current drive for diversity - how does the report highlight racism within the force?

By expanding the force to include more women and non-white officers, why would the Met be shown as institutionally racist and sexist?

Surely the opposite would be true?

[New Judge]

//By expanding the force to include more ...non-white officers, why would the Met be shown as institutionally racist...?

Surely the opposite would be true?//

Thus demonstrating perfectly the conclusion that only white police officers can be racist.

[sp1814]

NJ

Only pointing out that statistically it's much more likely - seeing as the overwhelming majority of the Met Police are white, also I can't remember any stories of black officers being disciplined for showing overtly racist attitudes to white members of the public.

By the way NJ. You once referred to the McPherson report as 'ludicrous'. Have you read this one and come to the same conclusion?

[New Judge]

No I haven't read this one yet, sp.

I had a certain sympathy with the police when the McPherson report was published, principally because of some of its recommendations. I have less now, not because of the racial aspect necessarily but because of the overall quality of some of the officers. I can understand some recruits slipping through the vetting net - it's difficult to determine a person's attitudes, predalictions and habits in a few short sessions. But many officers have been found to be lacking long after they joined the force and nothing has been done about them. That's unforgiveable.