Oh Dear Dirty Tricks From Labour.......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65211469
...be careful, that works both ways if you want to get into that game.

[Peter Pedant]

Naomi there are some mega-unmimsy views on this thread.
get deleting and mimzi-fy it - pronto madam!
( juldee - yalla - marchons etc etc)

[Gromit]

// Is this the same Labour Party that campaigned to stop a plane load of Jamaican rapists and murderers being deported? //

That is an easy one. No it isn’t.

[ToraToraTora]

gromit, if the judges aren't banging them up that's not the fault of the government. If they changed the law to make it mandatory, you'd be the first one pebble dashing your screen with organic peace porridge. This is a shoddy accusation, quite rightly condemned by fellow Labour party members who clearly see it for what it is. Shame you cannot.

[mushroom25]

The current sentencing guidelines for the crime referenced in the tweet has a maximum sentence of 14 years imprisonment.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crown-court/item/sexual-activity-with-a-child/

Can anyone provide a link to conservative party policy that outlines plans to remove this?

[jno]

If they changed the law to make it mandatory, you'd be the first one yada yada yada

that's the way, invent what someone would do then blame them for it.

The fact remains, if Sunak wants to make prison mandatory for paedophiles he can do it, whether Gromit protests or not.

[ToraToraTora]

yes jno, but everytime the Tories propose anything that might be construed as toughening up, you lot wet your alans. Any such change could be pushed through and would no doubt be opposed by Labour.

[jno]

why would it be opposed by Labour when they've just criticised Sunak for the same thing?

[ToraToraTora]

look at the voting history of Labour they always oppose any law changes that punish criminals further.

[Deskdiary]

Honestly jno, you do post the most unadulterated nonsense.

Do you do it on purpose?

Even Kevin Maquire has condemned the poster. If somebody as achingly left as Maquire has condemned it, it has to be wrong even to somebody as wilfully contrary as you.

[douglas9401]

Peace porridge is made with pebbles?

Rock on.

[Ellipsis]

Ostensibly, Labour would punish criminals further than the Tories. They say "Labour will lock up dangerous child abusers." This implies that dangerous child abusers are not locked up already, but of course they are! This is classic spin.

It may be true that "Under the Tories, 4,500 adults convicted of sexually assaulting children under 16 served no prison time", but that doesn't mean that any of those 4,500 are dangerous child abusers. For example, one of them may be a 16 year old girl that's in a relationship with a 15 year old boy. Prison is not the only option.

So saying “Do you think adults convicted of sexually assaulting children should go to prison? Rishi Sunak doesn’t” is fatuous in the extreme.

[Gromit]

// one of them may be a 16 year old girl that's in a relationship with a 15 year old boy. //

Then they are not an adult, and not part of the 4,500 figure.

[Ellipsis]

Still fatuous spin, trying to create an impression that is known is not the reality ... the truth is that Labour (or any Government) could actually make laws more lax than at present, and still ensure that dangerous abusers were always imprisoned.

[THECORBYLOON]

ROY, "Is this the same Labour Party that campaigned to stop a plane load of Jamaican rapists and murderers being deported?:

From the Daily Mail,

"Charter flight was due to deport 50 offenders to Jamaica yesterday morning

But last-minute legal challenges meant just seven took off from Stansted airport

Among the 43 criminals still on British soil are a murderer and a rapist"

Hardly a plane load of murderers and rapists then.

[jno]

Ellipsis, it's the same sort of spin as hinting that the money going to the EU should go to the NHS instead. When it manifestly doesn't, some people will call them liars; supporters will say no no, it wasn't a promise.

Same here: Labour are hinting they'll lock up more child abusers; they probably won't, Tories will accuse them of lying, Labour supporters will say it wasn't a promise.

This is standard politics and the only test for politics is whether it works. Personally, I don't think accusing Sunak of being soft on crime is any more believable than accusing Corbyn of being anti-Semitic - but that worked.

[naomi24]

Sunak should sue them.

[CoolBritannia]

Keir Starmer, the then DPP, sat on the Sentencing Council in 2012 when it was agreed the crime should not get an automatic prison sentence, although a maximum of 14 years behind bars was set!

[Untitled]

the anti-semitism smear against corbyn worked because it had just about every newspaper and broadcaster in the country willing it to be true when it actually wasn't... that's why it worked

this isn't going to have that effect because labour does not dominate the media like the tories do... labour in my opinion needs to focus on the catastrophic harm done to this country by unnecessary and ideological tory cuts... the hundreds of thousands of deaths they have on their conscience, the collapse in public services, the disastrous handling of the pandemic... these are all beyond dispute and it's much harder for the government to spin their way out of them

it would be nice as well if they went in harder on the signature tory policy of the last seven years - Brexit - but they won't.

[Ellipsis]

> Ellipsis, it's the same sort of spin as hinting that the money going to the EU should go to the NHS instead.

Yes, it is, ie not good enough.