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How many ABers, out of curiosity, will have to buy a new car due to the possible new ruling ?
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//Very few cars do not meet the emission standards, so it is likely hardly anyone will need to buy a new vehicle.//
Thats skewed stats again. Its mainly vans that struggle, you know those that hard working tradesmen use. Still what do you care, guess you and jno are good mates with Lady Nugee and her harteed of white van man.
And why did you go on with a quote about 94% in the current zone? This thread is about the new zone.
Thats skewed stats again. Its mainly vans that struggle, you know those that hard working tradesmen use. Still what do you care, guess you and jno are good mates with Lady Nugee and her harteed of white van man.
And why did you go on with a quote about 94% in the current zone? This thread is about the new zone.
//What’s not to like ?//
The fact that you can kill as many people as you like provided you pay £12.50 a day. It is said the extension of the ULEZ will help save up to 4,000 lives a year. So if it’s that critical just ban non-compliant vehicles from the zone (which actually extends into the Kent, Essex and Surrey countryside - actually encompassing farmland in the London Borough of Bromley).
//...people have already had several years' notice to buy a new(er) car,//
Er..not quite “years”. The Mayor announced a “consultation” (well that’s the term he used for it) on expansion of the ULEZ to the whole of London in May 2022, with the consultation period ending on 29th July. The extension of the ULEZ was formally announced on 25th November last year – just nine months before the proposed introduction date. So open minded was the consultation that work had begun installing the equipment to monitor the zone as early as September 2021.
Those facing the biggest problem with this scheme are tradespeople who use non-compliant vans. It isn’t just a case of popping out and buying a new van for two reasons:
1. The cost. Many small traders simply don’t have the funds to replace their van.
2. There are not sufficient vans available.
Of course those not living in London or the Home Counties won’t be bothered by this at all. But they should bear in mind that the tax revenue from London and the South East of England is greater than that from all the rest of the country put together. And be warned, this is just a stepping stone to the Mayor’s ultimate goal – charging by mile for road use across the whole of London.
The fact that you can kill as many people as you like provided you pay £12.50 a day. It is said the extension of the ULEZ will help save up to 4,000 lives a year. So if it’s that critical just ban non-compliant vehicles from the zone (which actually extends into the Kent, Essex and Surrey countryside - actually encompassing farmland in the London Borough of Bromley).
//...people have already had several years' notice to buy a new(er) car,//
Er..not quite “years”. The Mayor announced a “consultation” (well that’s the term he used for it) on expansion of the ULEZ to the whole of London in May 2022, with the consultation period ending on 29th July. The extension of the ULEZ was formally announced on 25th November last year – just nine months before the proposed introduction date. So open minded was the consultation that work had begun installing the equipment to monitor the zone as early as September 2021.
Those facing the biggest problem with this scheme are tradespeople who use non-compliant vans. It isn’t just a case of popping out and buying a new van for two reasons:
1. The cost. Many small traders simply don’t have the funds to replace their van.
2. There are not sufficient vans available.
Of course those not living in London or the Home Counties won’t be bothered by this at all. But they should bear in mind that the tax revenue from London and the South East of England is greater than that from all the rest of the country put together. And be warned, this is just a stepping stone to the Mayor’s ultimate goal – charging by mile for road use across the whole of London.
Well, I'll be saving even more money by never going to London. I can't stand the place. It would affect me now, I suppose, if we wanted to get a ferry from Dover. It would probably be cheaper to go from Portsmouth. Odd, because my little diesel car is so engine efficient that I don't have to pay Road Tax.
Not worth buying a new car for anyway, phew!
Not worth buying a new car for anyway, phew!
several million people live in london and therefore have to breathe the air in it... if you must drive a polluting vehicle into their city and contribute to the pollution problem then it is not unreasonable for that to be taxed
people always say they are happy for something serious to be done about pollution and then when it happens say 'no not like that'
people always say they are happy for something serious to be done about pollution and then when it happens say 'no not like that'
//...if you must drive a polluting vehicle into their city and contribute to the pollution problem then it is not unreasonable for that to be taxed//
I would suggest that it is unreasonable because vehicle owners already pay enormous sums in tax whilst the owners of the most polluting pay more than most courtesy of the RFL being based on emissions. But leaving that side I have two issues:
1. If these vehicles are so hazardous why doesn't the Mayor simply ban them?
2. Huge swathes of the "London" that this charge effects are in fact open countryside. Here's a couple of examples:
This is where the London Borough of Bromley begins:
https:/
And this is where the London Borough of Havering ends:
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Wander around using Streetview and you will see these are not built up areas - in fact you will struggle to see a building at all and few vehicles are visible from the Google camera car. These are not isolated examples. The exurbs of the outer London boroughs - especially Bromley, Havering and Hillingdon, consist of huge areas like this. The view of the Bromley boundary I have provided is actually in the centre of a large area of farmland and woods which stretches between the eastern edge of Orpington and the M25. The M25, of course, is not included in the ULEZ zone (even though it passes through the easternmost part of the London Borough of Havering, with part of that borough being outside the orbital motorway). It is ludicrous that the few vehicles using an assortment of country lanes running through farmland are subject to a pollution charge whilst tens of thousands of vehicles ploughing along an adjacent motorway are not.
Many people do not realise that large parts of the outer London boroughs are like this - they are not all like Park Lane and Piccadilly.
I would suggest that it is unreasonable because vehicle owners already pay enormous sums in tax whilst the owners of the most polluting pay more than most courtesy of the RFL being based on emissions. But leaving that side I have two issues:
1. If these vehicles are so hazardous why doesn't the Mayor simply ban them?
2. Huge swathes of the "London" that this charge effects are in fact open countryside. Here's a couple of examples:
This is where the London Borough of Bromley begins:
https:/
And this is where the London Borough of Havering ends:
https:/
Wander around using Streetview and you will see these are not built up areas - in fact you will struggle to see a building at all and few vehicles are visible from the Google camera car. These are not isolated examples. The exurbs of the outer London boroughs - especially Bromley, Havering and Hillingdon, consist of huge areas like this. The view of the Bromley boundary I have provided is actually in the centre of a large area of farmland and woods which stretches between the eastern edge of Orpington and the M25. The M25, of course, is not included in the ULEZ zone (even though it passes through the easternmost part of the London Borough of Havering, with part of that borough being outside the orbital motorway). It is ludicrous that the few vehicles using an assortment of country lanes running through farmland are subject to a pollution charge whilst tens of thousands of vehicles ploughing along an adjacent motorway are not.
Many people do not realise that large parts of the outer London boroughs are like this - they are not all like Park Lane and Piccadilly.
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