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"Unmitigated Disaster"
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Who'd have thunk it? the remoaners forgot to tell us how wonderful the EUSSR was. Instead they tried to scare us with project fear. If only they'd just told us why we shoudl stay! So how can we rejoin because we want to pay for our sins? Please let us back in, please, oh go on! PMSL!
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It is an Unmitigated Disaster ... for the eeyoo. Without our £squillions of confiscated moolah, the head honchos are reduced to hoiking suitcases full of corrupts arab bribe money around to fund their criminal lives and the les Grenouilles can't pay their teenage pensioners causing them to set fire to everything. The Dutch are all becoming allotment...
20:11 Tue 25th Apr 2023
One of the conditions placed on any new EU member is to commit to adopting the Euro – Poland joined under these terms 20 years ago and shows no signs of doing so (and no one seems to care), and I have previously posted on the enormous financial loss to the City as a direct result of Brexit.
But having made such an enormous blunder leaving the EU, the obvious solution is to rejoin.
If we had some skilled negotiators, maybe we could rejoin with opt-outs, given that we would be a net contributor to the EU budget (as when we were members).
Rather than stating that the new terms would be devastating to the UK – perhaps you could list some of those devastating terms (or is this just more Brexiteer BS).
But having made such an enormous blunder leaving the EU, the obvious solution is to rejoin.
If we had some skilled negotiators, maybe we could rejoin with opt-outs, given that we would be a net contributor to the EU budget (as when we were members).
Rather than stating that the new terms would be devastating to the UK – perhaps you could list some of those devastating terms (or is this just more Brexiteer BS).
It is an Unmitigated Disaster ... for the eeyoo. Without our £squillions of confiscated moolah, the head honchos are reduced to hoiking suitcases full of corrupts arab bribe money around to fund their criminal lives and the les Grenouilles can't pay their teenage pensioners causing them to set fire to everything. The Dutch are all becoming allotment holders to "grow their own", the Germans are dry cleaning and freshening up their old Hugo Boss uniforms and the Italians have put back up their mammas Mussolini pictures. Meanwhile the rain in Spain goes mainly down the drain.
//…perhaps you could list some of those devastating terms//
How long have you got?
First, the two biggest disasters the EU has visited upon its hapless citizens: the UK would be required to adopt the euro and join the ridiculous Schengen scheme. It would have no control over its interest or exchange rates and instead would be tied to a currency that was principally designed to enable other members to buy German goods. It would once again be subject to the freedom of movement principle with 450m people having the unfettered right to live and work here.
Next up, the UK would once again forfeit the right to negotiate its trading arrangements with other countries. Instead it would be bound by conditions and tariffs which suited nobody in particular and would once again become an unpaid tariff collector for Brussels.
EU law would once again enjoy supremacy over laws enacted by the UK Parliament.
I think you can see where I’m going with this. I don’t particularly care whether I have to join a separate queue when entering an EU country; I don’t really care whether I need to pay £7 for a three year visa (if that scheme ever gets off the ground). I’m not that fussed about a percentage point or two being knocked off the country’s GDP (if indeed that is a result of Brexit). What I care about is the ability of the UK government to conduct the affairs of the UK without outside interference. I want the UK to control the currency it uses and to control the interest rates its financial systems and citizens are subject to. I want it to conduct its own trade negotiations to secure its best interests and not to have to compromise to suit 27 other very different economies.
Those are among the reasons I am glad the UK is no longer an EU member. You will never understand this because you believe it is worth sacrificing these fundamental principles in order to belong to a club which demands that sacrifice so that we can sell our wares without filling in a few forms; so that you can travel to Europe without enduring the travails that accompany travelling to normal countries.
Fortunately your view did not prevail in the referendum and no political party likely to form a government has any plans to rejoin the EU any time soon. Continually harping on about what you term an "absolute disaster" will not alter that.
How long have you got?
First, the two biggest disasters the EU has visited upon its hapless citizens: the UK would be required to adopt the euro and join the ridiculous Schengen scheme. It would have no control over its interest or exchange rates and instead would be tied to a currency that was principally designed to enable other members to buy German goods. It would once again be subject to the freedom of movement principle with 450m people having the unfettered right to live and work here.
Next up, the UK would once again forfeit the right to negotiate its trading arrangements with other countries. Instead it would be bound by conditions and tariffs which suited nobody in particular and would once again become an unpaid tariff collector for Brussels.
EU law would once again enjoy supremacy over laws enacted by the UK Parliament.
I think you can see where I’m going with this. I don’t particularly care whether I have to join a separate queue when entering an EU country; I don’t really care whether I need to pay £7 for a three year visa (if that scheme ever gets off the ground). I’m not that fussed about a percentage point or two being knocked off the country’s GDP (if indeed that is a result of Brexit). What I care about is the ability of the UK government to conduct the affairs of the UK without outside interference. I want the UK to control the currency it uses and to control the interest rates its financial systems and citizens are subject to. I want it to conduct its own trade negotiations to secure its best interests and not to have to compromise to suit 27 other very different economies.
Those are among the reasons I am glad the UK is no longer an EU member. You will never understand this because you believe it is worth sacrificing these fundamental principles in order to belong to a club which demands that sacrifice so that we can sell our wares without filling in a few forms; so that you can travel to Europe without enduring the travails that accompany travelling to normal countries.
Fortunately your view did not prevail in the referendum and no political party likely to form a government has any plans to rejoin the EU any time soon. Continually harping on about what you term an "absolute disaster" will not alter that.
"Brexiteers, having made the monumental mistake to take the UK out of the EU"
Oh dear Hymie, did the 2019 GE not show how wrong you are, you losers had the chance to reverse Brexit, but more and more people on a mandate to get us out of this failed vile project.
Moan for the rest of your life if you wish, but you are going to destroy yourself with your bizarre hateful undemocratic hysterical rants that you lost and your fragile pride has been damaged.
Again, get a grip!
Oh dear Hymie, did the 2019 GE not show how wrong you are, you losers had the chance to reverse Brexit, but more and more people on a mandate to get us out of this failed vile project.
Moan for the rest of your life if you wish, but you are going to destroy yourself with your bizarre hateful undemocratic hysterical rants that you lost and your fragile pride has been damaged.
Again, get a grip!
//...now their main objection to re-joining (and correcting this mistake) is that we would not rejoin on the same terms as we had when we were members of the EU.//
Not me, and you misrepresent my position. I was doing the polite thing by responding to the question you posed about the likely conditions that would be placed on our renewed membership.
For the record, I didn't like the conditions under which we were members. We had one or two important opt-outs but they would no doubt have been removed in the fullness of time. But even with them remaining I still did not cherish our membership. I do not believe it was a mistake to leave (and never will, whatever the outcome) and have no wish to see the UK rejoin under any circumstances whatsoever.
Not me, and you misrepresent my position. I was doing the polite thing by responding to the question you posed about the likely conditions that would be placed on our renewed membership.
For the record, I didn't like the conditions under which we were members. We had one or two important opt-outs but they would no doubt have been removed in the fullness of time. But even with them remaining I still did not cherish our membership. I do not believe it was a mistake to leave (and never will, whatever the outcome) and have no wish to see the UK rejoin under any circumstances whatsoever.
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