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Labour win only 1 out of 3 By-elections. Poor result for a party aspiring to win a General election.
By-election gains are nearly always lost at the following general election. Who will replace Rodders after he loses the next election?
By-election gains are nearly always lost at the following general election. Who will replace Rodders after he loses the next election?
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I live in Wales which is a shambles with a Labour run devolved government. If that is repeated in the rest of the country if Labour win the next election we will be in a right mess. I do not want to waste my vote by not voting but to try and get some order here in Wales I am going to vote Tory. A lot of people I know are thinking along the same lines as Mark Drakeford aka...
13:50 Sun 23rd Jul 2023
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They’re not quite a dreadful as some on here predicted tho. "
I disagree: it's pretty terrible, and actually the fact that Uxbridge was held might be a curse, because it might tempt them into a false sense of optimism. Although among actual party activists, other than people trying to put a brave face on things here and elsewhere, I doubt that's the case. Whether you think the country's difficulties are the fault of the govt or not, the fact remains that voters ganged up on candidates from the ruling party (in Uxbridge too) and if that happens in a GE they face oblivion.
Of couse a general election is difterent: you tend to get a higher percentage of tactical voting in a bye-election, probably because it;s mainly the keener people who vote, A GE tends to bring out the "vote for a donkey in a red/blue rosette brigade" in greater numbers.
Also we'll presumably have had pre-election sweeteners and maybe the economy will be looking up.
I stlll feel that come what may, people have had enough of 13 years of Tory or mainly Tory rule.
But we will see.
They’re not quite a dreadful as some on here predicted tho. "
I disagree: it's pretty terrible, and actually the fact that Uxbridge was held might be a curse, because it might tempt them into a false sense of optimism. Although among actual party activists, other than people trying to put a brave face on things here and elsewhere, I doubt that's the case. Whether you think the country's difficulties are the fault of the govt or not, the fact remains that voters ganged up on candidates from the ruling party (in Uxbridge too) and if that happens in a GE they face oblivion.
Of couse a general election is difterent: you tend to get a higher percentage of tactical voting in a bye-election, probably because it;s mainly the keener people who vote, A GE tends to bring out the "vote for a donkey in a red/blue rosette brigade" in greater numbers.
Also we'll presumably have had pre-election sweeteners and maybe the economy will be looking up.
I stlll feel that come what may, people have had enough of 13 years of Tory or mainly Tory rule.
But we will see.
It is an obvious indication that Uxbridge won the by election because it is a London borough and the people of Uxbridge will be affected by Labour Mayor Khan's prohibitive ULEZ scheme. People of all London boroughs and wards are totally up in arms and will vote with their feet come the GE.
It does not stop there though. The ULEZ scheme will encompass 600 square miles and will not just affect London. This is considerably larger than the 10 square miles in and around Birmingham.
It will affect drivers in the home counties as far as Beds and Essex and other counties on the fringes of London. If their car does not conform to his dictat they will pay £12.50 just to drive to the supermarket. Public transport is not a viable option in outlying areas. Starmer warned the Uxbridge Labour candidate before the local election to go easy on the ULEZ campaign. I appreciate the ULEZ is smaller area than the whole of the UK but can Labour afford to lose so many votes in the proposed ULEZ area. It won't stop there. If successful we will get Pay per Mile soon after ULEZ regardless of vehicle compliancy and that will spread
It does not stop there though. The ULEZ scheme will encompass 600 square miles and will not just affect London. This is considerably larger than the 10 square miles in and around Birmingham.
It will affect drivers in the home counties as far as Beds and Essex and other counties on the fringes of London. If their car does not conform to his dictat they will pay £12.50 just to drive to the supermarket. Public transport is not a viable option in outlying areas. Starmer warned the Uxbridge Labour candidate before the local election to go easy on the ULEZ campaign. I appreciate the ULEZ is smaller area than the whole of the UK but can Labour afford to lose so many votes in the proposed ULEZ area. It won't stop there. If successful we will get Pay per Mile soon after ULEZ regardless of vehicle compliancy and that will spread
If he doesn't stop King Khan from expanding ULEZ in London, Labour will lose heavily many usual labour voters. There are thousands of diesel car owners in Greater London who will pay £12.50 EVERY day that they drive to work, the dentists, the GP, hospital, down the pub, doing a Tesco run etc etc etc. People won't wear it. Starmer must either back it and lose or force Khan to back off, even for five years, and then pick up the votes.
I live on the south coast and to visit close relatives in the southern area of London, just, will cost me I reckon £600 a year.
I live on the south coast and to visit close relatives in the southern area of London, just, will cost me I reckon £600 a year.
