A Nation Of Animal Lovers?

[divegirl]

I think not!

I'm absolutely astounded this person was found not guilty! Do you agree with the verdict?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12445473/Primary-school-teacher-39-not-guilty-animal-cruelty-footage-showed-punching-kicking-horse.html#comments

:(

[Ellipsis]

> BBC News - Cleared pony owner criticises 'trial by social media'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-66605870

A trial by social media can never be cleared ...

[Deskdiary]

Crikey - that’s a leap AH.

[Deskdiary]

Having just watched the video posted by ellipses, and I know I’m going to crucified for this, I don’t really see what all the fuss is about.

[tomus42]

Not very pleasant but not worth all the fuss.

Hopefully she's learnt a lesson but I fear it's only to make sure no one is videoing next time.

If you're the kind of adult that can kick and slap an animal you're not going to suddenly realise it's wrong just because you got caught.

[Deskdiary]

“Not very pleasant but not worth all the fuss”

In nine words sums it up perfectly.

[andy-hughes]

Deskdiary - // Having just watched the video posted by ellipses, and I know I’m going to crucified for this, I don’t really see what all the fuss is about. //

The 'fuss' is about a woman imagining that an animal will understand that it's running down the road, and being punched in the face, are connected, and that it's a reasonable way to treat an animal.

Her reasons are flawed, for all her protestations that she 'loves animals' - she neglected to mention that foxes are an exception, but that's for another debate.

Frightening, if not actually seriously hurting, a large animal, is not the way to educate its behaviour.

Her approach that it is makes her a cruel and unreasonable person, whose keeping of animals she treats in that way, was highlighted and challenged in the court.

The judgement is that she is 'not guilty' in a legal sense, but the film evidence clearly shows that she was, and given her endless protestations, probably still is, someone who is cruel to animals, and she is never going to see that she is wrong, or adjust her behaviour.

[ladybirder]

What an absolute ***. All she's doing is moaning about people daring to criticise her. I think there will be many who think the verdict is wrong and OK I know they weren't in court. Is this the one and only time she's done this to a horse? I wouldn't bet on it. Makes me so angry when she says she hit it (didn't mention kicking it) when it came back to her to teach it not to move away again. How stupid is that? I'm sure my dog would keep coming back to me if I hit him when he did!

[andy-hughes]

ladybirder - // Makes me so angry when she says she hit it (didn't mention kicking it) when it came back to her to teach it not to move away again. How stupid is that? I'm sure my dog would keep coming back to me if I hit him when he did! //

This of course is the dichotomy in attitude of someone who protests that they 'love animals', including the horse in question, but still think it's ok to kick and punch it in the fatuous idea that the horse will understand not to run off next time it has the chance.

She sees no wrong at all in the way she behaved, and will continue to do so, vindicated by her court verdict, and a large coterie of supporters who appear to have similar views on how to discipline a dumb animal.

[douglas9401]

Less is more.

[Deskdiary]

I notice choux has gone quiet, but nonetheless I’ll ask again (although I don’t expect an answer) if you, Choux, were accused of something and were found not guilty, should this bar you, Choux, from resuming your career?

I’m genuinely intrigued.

[douglas9401]

It's not as if she cooked it in a lasagne. Tesco are still going.

[andy-hughes]

Deskdiary - // if you, Choux, were accused of something and were found not guilty, should this bar you, Choux, from resuming your career? //

I think that would depend what your career was at the time.

If it was teaching children, then resuming it is not going to be an option.

[ladybirder]

I wouldn't want anyone who thinks it's OK to do what she has done to be teaching my children.

[andy-hughes]

ladybirder - // I wouldn't want anyone who thinks it's OK to do what she has done to be teaching my children. //

Which is probably why she is no longer a teacher.

Educating children that violence is wrong Monday to Friday, and then kicking and punching your horse at the weekend, is not a fit most parents would be happy with.

[tomus42]

You city folks don't understand the ways of the country.

Horses love being kicked and slapped. It's the only language they understand.

[douglas9401]

Not at all, Tomus, all are fluent in Foalish and many can get by in Istallion.

[Deskdiary]

I suspect, AH, you’re deliberately missing the point I was making to Choux.

My question to Choux was if he or she was accused of a crime, subsequently found innocent, should Choux be stopped from pursuing Choux’s career?

It’s rhetorical because I know Choux would think he or she would be entitled to pursue his or her career, even though she or he feels the lady in the story should lose her career.

I can’t stand Choux’s hypocrisy.

[ladybirder]

Possibly if she hadn't been a teacher of children then she wouldn't have lost her job. Surely a teacher should be setting an example of how to behave.

[lankeela]

"hence the endless debate about the cruelty of hunting animals, which of course, Ms Moulds does with enthusiasm."

AH perhaps you should bring yourself up to date with the hunting bill - the hunting of foxes is no longer carried out by packs of hounds which is what this lady was taking part in - it is trail hunting.

[douglas9401]

"prepares himself for 'but my point stands because...' "