Suella Braveman. Why Do We Hate Straight Talking Politicians?

[ToraToraTora]

People are always moaning that you can never get a straight answer out of a politician, they never answer a question, they are always evasive etc etc. Along comes one who actually says what most of us think and the hand wringing goes in overdrive.

[ToraToraTora]

Braverman! doh!

[THECORBYLOON]

Not all her colleagues support the way she expressed her opinion,

 

'Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has distanced himself from Home Secretary Suella Braverman's criticism of the Metropolitan Police.

Speaking this morning, Mr Hunt said: "The words that she used are not words that I myself would have used."'

[naomi24]

^Only because he doesn't have the guts.

[dave50]

They are normally accused of being "populist' which apparently is an insult, don't know why expressing views that are popular is a bad thing.

[Mozz71]

"Most of us" Talk for yourself Tora, most sensible people think she's talking out of her backside.

homelessness is a "lifestyle choice?" Righto, that's sorted then.

[ToraToraTora]

So you prefer the standard obfuscating politicians Mozz?

[Mozz71]

Oh I agree that politicians should speak their mind, what I object to is when that mind is full of spiteful bile like this nasty woman's is. 

[10ClarionSt]

A true Blue Tory then, Mozz?

[Mozz71]

Leadership material 10CS

[andy-hughes]

As I understand it, the issue with Ms Braverman is less about what she said, than the fact that she defied instructions from Number Ten to say it.

Going against the PM is never going to end well.

I think the PM will sack her, and ride out the consequences, pushing his 'tough leader' persona forward.

[Atheist]

As I understand it, the march is for Saturday, not Sunday, and will not be at the Cenotaph.

However, I believe the right wing Football Lads and other similar types are on social media calling for gatherings at war memorials to 'protect' them. They take heart from Braverman's reference to 'hate marches', which they will use to justify their gatherings. She is a menace.

 

[Gramps82]

I did post something similiar on another posting.

Spot the difference:

Shadow Home Secretary at the time of the Sarah Everard Murder.  Attacking the police operational independance over the investigation of the murder. Urged ministers to be more brutal on the police.

Home Secretary: Questioning the impartality of the Met.

 

Was her attack then no different to the Home Secretary views?

 

[Old_Geezer]

Populist is a description of someone trying to support the democratic opinion of the people. It is hardly an insult.

 

I think at least of of the criticism towards Suella is from an opinion that it is better to let things remain being dealt with incorrectly rather than to try to point out issues and criticise those responsible, as it makes for greater confrontation rather than smoothing things out. But there is a time and place where things should be pointed out or they will forever remain wrong and just get worse.

 

There is a perception of uneven-handedness when dealing with specific groups, which has been caught on video as evidence and reported on by news channels. I suspect it partly lies with the ineffectiveness of the police force to achieve enforcement of basic behaviour standards without everything blowing up in their face, and them then being criticised for their handling of the situations. They are between a rock and a hard place but merely encouraging it by not showing the ability to control the wrongdoers, but instead turning a blind eye to that sirt of behaviour, claiming it didn't occur, and coming down of those who complain instead, for the sake of keeping public disruption & conflict to a minimum.

[Old_Geezer]

The "right wing Football Lads and other similar types" are just as likely to be "hate marches" as those groups they oppose.

 

Honestly while everyone has a right to an opinion on the middle east issue, what the heck are multiple marches in an unrelated country supposed to achieve aside from creating massive division here ? Is this really about the conflict it claims to be about, as it ain't doing that any favours ?  Meanwhile here, both Jews & Muslims decide that they are under attack. What the heck is wrong with folk ?

[gulliver1]

OP "Why do we hate straight politicians"  Always wondered why you dislike Sir Keir  TTT.

[Gramps82]

Gulliver @11.33  If you think Starmer is straight talking you are even more delluded then I thought you were.

[Deskdiary]

"Is this really about the conflict it claims to be about, as it ain't doing that any favours ?"

I'll try to find the clip, but in some (many?) cases I suspect the answer is No, given in the clip I saw the person being asked a couple of questions by a reporter at one of the protests (a) not aware of the genocide of 7th October, and (b) didn't know who Hamas are. I strongly suspect she is far from alone.

[naomi24]

gulliver, if Starmer is straight why does he say some women have penises?  Could be he's just stupid I suppose.

[gulliver1]

Naomi 12.05 "If Starmer is straight why does he say some women have penises ?"  Some women do resemble them though.

[Togo]

The bourgeois bedwetters cannot face facts and need a barrier between them and reality. Every decision they make is now emotion based, and trumpeted loudly in order to claim this weeks virtue signalling points. The politicians(particularly the lefties) and social engineeers realised this was happening some years ago and have been presenting policies and attitudes based on the certainty that the facebook and twitter fans are more liable to be on side if they are triggered by an emo  spasm. The fact that our educational facilities no longer teach students and pupils to think in a rational manner or make judgements based on fact is also a factot fdriving the dumbing down process. It will not improve anytime soon. 

Enough to make you weep.