Nigel For Tory Party Leader ?

[Khandro]

'Nigel Farage has topped a poll on who should be the next Tory leader, with Suella Braverman second and Boris Johnson third.

The Express asked readers who they thought should replace Rishi Sunak as he faces a crisis over the Rwanda scheme.

As of 6pm yesterday, more than 5,000 people had voted in the survey on this website.

Mr Farage, the former Ukip and Brexit Party leader who is currently taking part in I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here, came first with 41 per cent despite not currently being a Tory member'

[ichkeria]

"It is a generally accepted fact that Farage was the initiator & driving force behind Brexit.  If he wasn't who was ? "

Well I'd certainly disagree with the first part of that but the point is to win a referendum you need to convince floaters and Cummings's judgment was that people like him and Banks would put those people off. So he would not agree with the second bit

[naomi24]

Farage was the initiator and driving force behind Brexit.  He started the ball rolling.

[ToraToraTora]

2010-2015 UKIP were hurting the Tories, Cameron promised a referendum to alleviate that, he won the 2015 election because Tory voters did not jump ship because of that promise. He got the "wrong" answer in the referendum then scarpered. Thus NF became the most successful politician in history without ever entering either house.

[royfromaus]

2010-2015 UKIP were hurting the Tories, Cameron promised a referendum to alleviate that,

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So, was voting for the minor party that is UKIP wasted or not?  

[THECORBYLOON]

The Tory party constitution requires the leader to be a sitting MP so he cannot get the role via the Lords.

[naomi24]

Oh does it, Corby?  Thank you for that.

[ToraToraTora]

10:57, no not many actually did hence Cameron was re-elected, the threat alone forced Cameron to promise the referendum.

[royfromaus]

Was there a threat from UKIP or not?

Either there was and the UKIP vote wasn't wasted 

Or

There wasn't and Cameron was stupid to promise a referendum.

[ichkeria]

You can "force" a referendum but you have to actually win it 

[THECORBYLOON]

I couldn't copy the relevant section earlier but I can now

'10 There shall be a Leader of the Party (referred to in this Constitution as “the Leader”) drawn from those elected to the House of Commons, who shall be elected by the Party Members and Scottish Party Members in accordance with the provisions of Schedule 2. '

https://t.ly/H2zxY

 

[ichkeria]

The referendum was largely to settle an argument with the Tory party's own euro sceptics. I think it's safe to say that went well 😂😂😂

[ichkeria]

Thanks Corby I was neglecting the possibility of the party's own rules. Although in effect I think they'd do that anyway 

[gulliver1]

The Tories are already on borrowed time if they don't get a move on and elect their fourth PM this term... he or she could even break the Liz Truss record.

[ToraToraTora]

royfromaus: //Was there a threat from UKIP or not? Either there was and the UKIP vote wasn't wasted 

Or

There wasn't and Cameron was stupid to promise a referendum./

 Yes there was a threat, many tories were threatening to vote UKIP, the promise of a referendum meant they didn't actually vote that way. Cameron thought remain would win, so did most of us actually, so from his point of view offering the promise in exchange for winning the election was the right thing to do.

[royfromaus]

Right, so the previous wasted votes for UKIP, that made the Con's sit up and take notice, worked then.

Is that right?

[ToraToraTora]

No, not sure what you are driving at here roy, it's simple enough, the threat of Tories voting for UKIP was enough to get a referendum. Thus the threat was all it was. Previous UKIP voters thought that was the right thing to do same as Lib non dem, green etc. The real danger in 2015 was the threat of Eurosceptic tories voting UKIP en masse when they previously had not. The threat alone was all that was needed.

[royfromaus]

Surely the Cons took into account the actual 1 million UKIP votes in 2010 as part of their thinking?

Or were those million votes wasted?

[ToraToraTora]

Why are you going on about "wasted" votes?

[royfromaus]

 I know the minor parties cannot win and thus the vote is wasted.  

 

 

[youngmafbog]

But nobody (or few) voted for UKIP, many UKIP potential voters even voted for Cameron to get the referendum.

So no votes were wasted, as explained a few times above it was just the potential of votes going to UKIP that made Cameron promise a referendum. 

Not sure why that is so hard to understand.

Neither is a vote wasted becuase your Party doesnt win.  Otherwise the liberals, greens etc would have no party.