Nhs Asks Patients To Choose From 12 Genders, 10 Sexual Preferences And 159 Religions

[Khandro]

'NHS asks patients to choose from 12 genders, 10 sexual preferences and 159 religions

Some registering with the online portal before they attend appointments have said questions are bizarre, confusing and intrusive.'

Why do they ask this?

[Peter Pedant]

(*) recent hospital admission: we have to look at your bottom. ( me yeah OK) - do you want a chaperone ? ( me I am 71 for chrissakes. do you realise that at the Nagasake POW camp....) No No please we just want a look  ( I think it must be the cleanest bottom in Christie Hospital)....

they have  rules and they have to follow them.

[New Judge]

“…actually, those transgenders with Gender Recognition Certificates are legally recognised as their certified gender. thus it's legally possible for males to become pregnant and give birth.”

They can be legally recognised as anything the law wants to call them. But as Mr Bumble, The Beadle famously said “If the law supposes that the law is a ass — a idiot.” People who become pregnant and give birth are women. They were women when they became pregnant and they remain women after they have given birth. A piece of paper does not alter that.

“Why do they ask ?  So that should the person be hospitalised, suitable accommodation/provision can be allocated.”

All they need to be asked to make that provision is what their sex at birth was. Done. Whatever “certificates” they have gained since then makes no difference to that and it should be that – and that alone – which should determine what accommodation they are provided with.

“In fairness I can understand religion…”

I can’t. All they need to be asked is if there are any foods they cannot eat. It should not be incumbent of NHS staff to determine what ridiculous dietary fads each religion imposes on its adherants.

The fact is that the NHS is obsessed, almost to the point that one must suspect some of its staff of suffering from some form of mental illness, with gender recognition, diversity and inclusion. I have recently received treatment in a private hospital. I wasn’t asked my gender, or my religion or my sexual preferences. I would have answered none of those questions anyway because it’s nobody’s business but mine. I was obviously asked about my medical history and my sex but that was it. The resources being devoted by the NHS in the form of “Diversity, Equality and Inclusion” teams is absolutely preposterous. Yet still the organisation wails out for more funds. The entire shooting match needs winding up and replaced with something fit for purpose because one thing is for sure – the NHS isn’t.

[sandyRoe]

I'm an old chap who has fond memories of occasional encounters with young women when I was much younger.

How do I define myself?

[Hopkirk]

Kemi Badenoch for PM.

She'll put a stop to this nonsense.

[Barsel]

NJ //All they need to be asked to make that provision is what their sex at birth was //

If a person who is a male when born and that person decides to become a female as in (I think) Bruce Jenner, and they have their member removed and they grow breasts and long hair, wears make-up and ladies' dresses, would you say it would be ok to then put that person into a male-only ward in a hospital?

[Barsel]

sandyRoe well, you define yourself as having a good memory for a start!

Did you see my comment to you on the Delilah thread?

 

[Old_Geezer]

In answer Barsel, yes. If they have money enough to get themselves mutulated then they have money enough to pay for a private ward etc. should they not wish to join in with their fellow birth sex/gender patients.

[New Judge]

"If a person who is a male when born and that person decides to become a female as in (I think) Bruce Jenner, and they have their member removed and they grow breasts and long hair, wears make-up and ladies' dresses, would you say it would be ok to then put that person into a male-only ward in a hospital?"

My suggestion would deal with the overwhelming majority of patients satisfactorily. The example you mention is one of a tiny, tiny minority. The vast majority of transgender people do not go to those lengths. Your example can be dealt with by an individual consultation. Instead of that everybody is being asked to declare matters that are of no concern to the NHS. Unless it might influence a patient's diagnosis and treatment, it is not their concern what gender they are, or what sexual preferences they have or what religion they follow. These are all matters of personal opinion or preference.

[Unsureme]

Stop talking Common Sense,New Judge you will confuse people 😂😂

[Countrylover]

Those forms usually state you don't have to answer those dafy questions.  We'll the one I got did.

 

[New Judge]

"Those forms usually state you don't have to answer those dafy questions.  We'll the one I got did."

Then why bother with them at all? If a patient has specific requirements or wants the medics to know something in particular, he or she can make it known,

[retrocop]

  // Why do they ask ?  So that should the person be hospitalised, suitable accommodation/provision can be allocated.   //

Nonsense. I have been in hospitals more times than I wish as an inpatient. I am usually put, in this day and age, wherever there is a spare bed. Yes. After a long wait in A&E one year I was given a bed in the cardiac ward and woke up in daylight to find I was in Female cardiology . No one cared,least of all me, and each bay has pull round curtains in any case. In my trust the meals are diverse and I can choose  Hal Al, Caribbean, Kosher or just plain British. I always go for Carribean as I like their goat curry.

If a trained nurse has not grasped human anatomy  whilst training and cannot recognise what is between my legs then I would rather be in another hospital thank you. Every outpatient appointment that comes through my letterbox has a long list of tick boxes asking for religion,sex etc etc. That now goes straight in the bin as I am usually concious when I go to outpatients. They can see or ask when I arrive.If I am unconscious it doesn't really matter as they will find my next of kin in the large library of Hospital records they hold on me.                                                                            

[Khandro]

New Judge //

“In fairness I can understand religion…”  [quoting me ]

I can’t. All they need to be asked is if there are any foods they cannot eat. //

I did consider making your suggestion, but thought it might  a source of extensive & unforeseen problems. The religious question would simply rule out pork or beef for certain individuals, plus vegetarian.  But if you start to widen it to all foods, it could become a nightmare of "I don't eat this & I don't eat that" . If they don't like spinach, they will just have to leave it. 

[Khandro]

^^ Plus the fact that not a few people die in hospitals, so knowing of their religion could be a guide to what arrangements to make.

[barry1010]

They ask so they hopefully can't be sued for misgendering a person with male gentalia 'he' when they insist on being called 'she'.

Maybe they put different coloured dots on patients' foreheads indicating preferred gender, religion, sexual leanings and dietary requirements.

[davebro3]

Hospitals could just serve only veggie food. That shouldn't offend any religion & would make the catering simpler.

[davebro3]

^^^ same with prisons?

[barry1010]

What about IBS sufferers, dave?  All those beans and peppers wouldn't go down well.  Literally.

[jourdain2]

But, Davebro, I don't like (or eat) a lot of veggie food - can't stand lentils and the vast majority of beans for example. I'm not even v. keen on potatoes. Cauli cheese etc. is OK - but you can't live off that.

[davebro3]

Do like hospitals abroad - get your relatives to bring your food in if you don't like what's on offer.