Why Such A Fuss About Abacus......?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-uk-politics-sunak-starmer-general-election-vote-labour-tories-speaker-sky-news-politics-hub-12593360

As far as I can tell he's being accused of being racist because he said she's an embrarrasment to all black women. Mistake fair enough but not racism. She's an embarrasment to all human beings let alone women let alone black women! For eff sake move on.

[ABSpareEditor]

Members are going to need a ToraToraTora glossary soon.

For those that don't know...

Abacus =  Diane Abbott

[barry1010]

He can't say it wasn't racist when he said Abbott makes him "want to hate all black women".  He said she should be shot.

More than rude.

 

[Ellipsis]

Well, it is racism. Rishi Sunak said it's racism.  Kemi Badenoch said it's racism. The Tory Party says it's racism.  So it's racism, according to your own Party, the one that accepted ten million pounds from Frank Hester.

More proof? OK. Compare Dianne Abbott to Jeremy Corbyn. They are very similar in many ways, but she's a black woman and he's a white man.  There is no way that Frank Hester would have said Jeremy Corbyn made him "want to hate all white men".  That is why what Hester did say about Abbott, that she made him "want to hate all black women", was both racist and misogynistic.  Adding the fact that she should be shot was just icing on the cake for the racist misogynist, especially as at the time it wasn't like after a different Labour woman MP had been shot and killed.

[Ellipsis]

long* after

[davebro3]

Extreme people provoke extreme reactions. Sometimes we say things we don't really mean.

[ToraToraTora]

"He can't say it wasn't racist when he said Abbott makes him "want to hate all black women".  He said she should be shot." - So before her he did not hate black women. QED the opposite of racist.

[barry1010]

And thank you, Spare Ed, for the translation.  

[ToraToraTora]

"Well, it is racism. Rishi Sunak said it's racism.  Kemi Badenoch said it's racism. The Tory Party says it's racism." - they are just saying that to play along with the morons in the trobiscite press.

[barry1010]

If he wasn't racist he woulnd't have mentioned her skin colour - he must have the mindset that 'they are all the same'. 

 

[Ellipsis]

> they are just saying that to play along with the morons in the trobiscite press.

And why would they want to do that?  Does saying it's racist win more votes than it loses, do you think?

 

[andy-hughes]

TTT - I think you'll find they are saying if because it's true.

The approval, or not, of the press does not come into it.

[roadman]

toratoratora do you realise to use one black woman to say you now hate all black woman is literally racism because it is blaming a race for the behaviour of one woman i mean come on is it that hard 

she is annoying because she is annoying has nothing to do with her being black or a woman so to say she makes me hate all black women is outrageous 

[andy-hughes]

TTT - He didn't say she was an embarrassment to all women, he specifically referred to her skin colour.

That makes him a racist.

[ichkeria]

We were actually in the public gallery while this was being batted back and forth (just able to make out the lady herself in her red coat).

In fairness what Mr Hester said was pretty appalling and trying to shrug it off merely by saying he'd apologised felt a bit weak, especially if it's true that all he did was apologise for being rude.

There was a nice tribute to the outgoing Theresa May from Sir Keir, but that isn't such a headline grabber I suppose.

[douglas9401]

Trobiscites. 🤣

[Ellipsis]

He said ...

> "It's like trying not to be racist but you see Diane Abbott on the TV, and you're just like… you just want to hate all black women because she's there."

He's saying "It's like trying not to be racist but [I can't because I am a racist]"

[youngmafbog]

So it appears to me that if you mention skin colour then you are a racist then.

Does this work on all sides of the fence?

BTW, I think this bloke is a plonker but racist, I'm struggling there a bit.

[THECORBYLOON]

His spokesperson claimed Hester's comment, "had nothing to do with [Diane Abbott's] gender nor colour of skin."

Was it just an unfortunate coincidence then that he wanted to hate only all those folk who shared Dianne Abbott's skin colour and gender?
 

[webbo3]

this is dawn Butler another Labour MP, are there no white people, or is she a racist.

https://x.com/DawnButlerBrent/status/1767816420660772987?s=20

[retrocop]

What a stupid comment to make and bordering on threats to kill. Most of us know she is already dead from the neck upwards.