You Could Have Protected Her....

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68930088

...by not shoving her on a rubber dingy with 50+ people to cross the busiest shipping lane in the world, to "escape" from the safe country you were in already.

[Old_Geezer]

No wish to deepen the misery they are in, but that was my thought too. Natural not to want to cope with the realisation of ths consequences of one's actions,  but this wasn't a case of not being able to protect, quite the reverse.

[Old_Geezer]

...the...

[naomi24]

Poor little girl.  He had a choice.  She didn't.  

[andy-hughes]

People try to do what they think is best.

Sometimes it doesn't work out, sometimes with horrific life-changing and life-ending consequences. 

But glibly commandeered the moral high ground from the comfort of a keyboard is not what this poor man needs to hear. 

Just as well he has other things to think about than the lofty moralising of safe white Middle Englanders telling him something he must have thought a million times by now.

[naomi24]

^And speaking of loftily moralising ...   

[Untitled]

obviously we only have his version of events but here is how he responds

"People blame me and say, 'How could I risk my daughters?' But I've spent 14 years in Europe and have been rejected," said Ahmed, detailing years of failed attempts to secure residency in the EU after he'd fled Iraq following what he described as threats from militia groups there.

Belgium reportedly denied him asylum by arguing that Basra, his hometown in Iraq, was classified as a safe area. He said his children spent the last seven years staying with a relative in Sweden, but that he was recently informed that they would be deported, with him, to Iraq.

"If I knew there was a 1% chance that I could keep the kids in Belgium or France or Sweden or Finland I would keep them there. All I wanted was for my kids to go to school. I didn't want any assistance. My wife and I can work. I just wanted to protect them and their childhoods and their dignity," he continued.

"If people were in my place, what would they do? Those who (criticise me) haven't suffered what I've suffered. This was my last option," he said, appealing to the British government for sympathy and support."

i am not saying that i agree with him because i am not familiar with the reasons for deportation... but if he did think that going back to basra would be highly dangerous then it isn't hard to see why he took the risk that he did. a horrible situation all around.

i don't understand why his daughter wasn't eligible for citizenship if she was born in belgium.

i agree with andy hughes... most of us live lives truly insulated from this kind of desperation. it's easy to say "i would never" when you know you'll never have to.

[naomi24]

He named several countries all of which have rejected his applications.  I see no reason for him to think that this country would react any differently.

[andy-hughes]

Don't you? Then you are even more divorced from reality than usual.

The record of success for immigrants landing off boats and vanishing into the black economy makes the UK look like heaven on earth to any one of them, risks or not.

[ToraToraTora]

Yes clearly he knew his claim was invalid so He thought he'd get to UK and disappear. Fair enough but surely the rest of the EUSSR is a lot bigger place to disappear into.

[SparklyKid]

50 less to house clothe and feed.

[10ClarionSt]

It is, TTT, it is but nothing is free in the EU. It's all free in Britain, as one illegal put it some time ago. 

[naomi24]

Did you not read untitled's post, andy hughes? Vanishing into the black economy is not what he wants top do.  He wants to be all legal and above board ....but has not met the criteria ... anywhere.  

 

Just another thought.  If he's been in Europe for 14 years and struggling, it seems self-defeating to have fathered more children during that time.  

[ToraToraTora]

12:02 wrong thread?

[ToraToraTora]

10cs "It is, TTT, it is but nothing is free in the EU. It's all free in Britain, as one illegal put it some time ago. " - we are always being told how wonderful and generous the benefits are in the EUSSR.

[youngmafbog]

Well they can be TTT, but they dont dish them out to all and sundry.  As the FRench have told us before, stop that and it will go a long way to ramming the message home the streets are not paved with gold.

As for this fella, no sympathy whatsoever.  You made your bed now lie in it mate.

As for the poor girl with no choice what can one say.

[piggynose]

Ttt, have you got a soul? 

[ynnafymmi]

Probably no more or no less than the Irish government,piggy.Ireland welcomes refugees?Aye,right.

[Old_Geezer]

Sad to hear he's been rejected at other places, but that doesn't stop anyone applying by official routes rather than forcing their way in. That way he gets a decision without risking his own life and the life of those he brought with him.

[ToraToraTora]

14:49 Have you got a brain?

[david small]

If our government made the UK less enticing, no hotel, no benefits, illegal entry punishments. Might deter many chancers.

This poor family have been pushed from pillar to post for years. An avoidable tragedy.