Why Are Border Force Assisting The Invaders?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/more-than-700-people-cross-channel-in-busiest-day-of-the-year-so-far-13127430

This is getting out of hand. Why are we not treating this as a hostile invasion and repelling it? 

Border force are supposed to protect the borders not assist invaders. 😡

[sandyRoe]

They seem to be acting to save those in peril on the sea.

Are they to let people drown rather than save them?

[ToraToraTora]

rowlocks they are like a cross channel ferry.

[brainiac]

Could someone please explain why these 'boat people' cannot be rounded up once they get here, taken by bus to Dover, put on a ferry and returned to France.  Why don't we try it?

[THECORBYLOON]

TORATORATORA have you not thought about getting a pitchfork and driving down to the coast to give the Border Force a hand?

[ToraToraTora]

because we need the agreement of the French. That would solve it for them too because once it got round then they'd not even go to France. Sadly France would rather self harm than help us both.

[youngmafbog]

It has been out of hand for some time, the RNLI are also complicit.

In many cases it is nothing to do with saving lives there have been instances of them going well into French waters to pick them up.

The answer to you question is your EW thread.  Metropolitan elite civil servants in the Home Office.

[THECORBYLOON]

"The RNLI’s volunteer crews are tasked and coordinated in the UK by HM Coastguard to assist anyone who is in trouble on or in the water. If someone is in trouble at sea, and we are tasked, we will launch to help them.Our lifeboats operate under international maritime law, which states we are permitted and indeed obligated to enter the waters of other territories for search and rescue purposes."

[youngmafbog]

Well at least you can cut and paste.

The reality is many are going out looking or them and not rescuing people in peril.

The RNLI is an extreme liberal let organisation.  One trip to their HQ and it is blindingly obvious.

[ToraToraTora]

In Peril my April. Probably find the ones really in peril are drowning while the Border Farce/ RNLI are out impersonating Sealink.

[THECORBYLOON]

"The reality is many are going out looking or them and not rescuing people in peril."

Do you have examples of that "reality"?

[youngmafbog]

You like Googling so Google.

[sandyRoe]

A hypothetical question.  If you saw someone floundering in the water would you throw them a lifeline or pause to consider if they were economic migrants?

[THECORBYLOON]

It's your, "reality" so I'll leave it to you to justify the claim.

[ToraToraTora]

13:29, I'd rescue them but that's not what we are talking about.

If you saw some invaders in a boat powering towards England would you go out and meet them and then transfer them to your own boat and bring them to England so they can leach off British tax payers?

[Untitled]

"Why are we not treating this as a hostile invasion and repelling it? "

because it isn't hostile

[Untitled]

they might be asylum seekers or they might be economic migrants... there really is no way of telling. the uk permits no legal way of requesting asylum in this country without being inside it first. as we are an island it is impossible to claim asylum in this country without using the same route that organised criminals and people smugglers and economic migrants do. 

 

if we allowed people to request asylum before coming here then we could know for sure what we were dealing with. but we don't and so we don't. 

[New Judge]

"If you saw someone floundering in the water would you throw them a lifeline or pause to consider if they were economic migrants?"

My hypothetical answer to that question would be that where it was quite clear they had imperiled themselves by setting to sea in an unsuitable craft with the intent to arrive in the UK illegally, I'd leave them to it. But I'm glad you said it was hypothetical because, in the main, that's what it is.

The overwhelming majority of these people are in no more peril when they reach the halfway point in the Straits of Dover (from where they are usually transferred to a lifeboat or border farce vessel) than they were when they set out. The job of preventing them setting sail in the first place falls to the French. A few days ago, when there was a tragedy (a few yards off the French shore) the French police would not tackle those involved because "some of them had sticks".

It was calmly announced in Tora's link that over 700 people pitched up yesterday in 14 boats. The Rwanda plan is clearly having zero effect (as many - including me - suspected it would). So that's accommodation for 700 people to be found, medical treatment for those who are ill (which many of them seem to be) plus all the associated costs of keeping people, who were perfectly safe where they were, in life's essentials and a bit of pocket money. Let's err on the low side and say £15k per head pa. So that's over £10m a year (before you add on the very agreeable legal fees to be paid to M'Learned Friends to defend them from deportation). And that's just yesterday.

Somebody in this country is going to have to get to grips with this properly and it's going to require some sort of forcible action. Because if it goes on the way it is, there is going to be real trouble in this country - and that will happen regardless of whether or not Mr Starmer forms the next government. 

"...because it isn't hostile"

It is hostile. They've taken to arming themselves to prevent the authorities in France from stopping them putting to sea, some of them have thrown themselves into the sea deliberately to avoid the French authorities bringing them back to land in France (on the odd occasion they stir themselves into taking any action) and they've threatened to throw themselves into the sea if they are taken into tow to be returned to France. They are arriving without authority and without leave and accompany this with threats toharm themselves or others if they are stopped.

[New Judge]

"...if we allowed people to request asylum before coming here then we could know for sure what we were dealing with."

I've a feeling we've done this before. But the UK has no obligation to provide facilities for asylum claims to be lodged from abroad. Such a facility would be contrary to the spirit of the asylum process, which is designed to provide safe haven for those in peril. People living in France do not require a safe haven because they are in no peril. They simply don't like it where they are and would prefer to be somewhere else.  

[Untitled]

I'm not arguing that it has an obligation... i'm arguing that it would be useful

[SparklyKid]

what this country needs are  armed patriots to head off these boats  and blow them out of the water