Older Voters Put Conservatives Way Ahead

[naomi24]

Tories could still be in the running according to a new poll conducted by JL Partners.

 

Among the whole age range of 66-80, the Tories are ahead on 27%, followed by Labour on 20%, and Reform UK on the verge of overtaking Sir Keir Starmer on 18%.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1915122/Poll-baby-boomers-election

 

Perhaps Mr Starmer shouldn't rest on his laurels just yet.

 

[Stableford]

Basically anyone who can remember a Labour Government doesn't want to vote Labour :)

[Gromit]

Apparently in the 100+ age range, the Conservatives have a 90% lead.

[Gromit]

Basically anyone who can remember anything of the Johnson/Truss/Sunak Government doesn't want to vote Tory ever again 😀

[ToraToraTora]

....an no one under 50 can remember the sheer awfulness of the last real Labour government.

[Gromit]

Starmer will be Blair II leading ToryLite II. He will win the election but squander it like they did in 1997.

[Prudie]

And those who take the *** about older voters choosing to vote conservative why do you think that is? Nothing to do with life experience and learning as you go along then?

[newmodarmy]

It's a shame naomi couldn't post this on the now closed thread on which she quoted this poll result and was accused by some of being a liar and making up the poll result. Well done naomi.

Of course the support for Tories among the older age group is not going to make a difference- the general polls include a cross-section of voters , including older voters, and puts Labour miles ahead 

[Hymie]

I’m old enough to remember the last Labour government when we had record low HNS waiting lists, record satisfaction with the NHS, our national debt (as a percentage of GDP) stood at around 70% (compared with now at around 100%), net annual migration stood at around 250k (compared with now at around 750k), there are now around ¾ million more children living in poverty under this Tory government - but I don’t remember people having to rely on food-banks just to get by during the last Labour government.

 

It would appear that a lot of people have a much shorter memory retention than me.

[Old_Geezer]

Maybe a lot of that has immigration as a root cause, which started an incoming explosion under Blair and has seen no action to reverse the growing numbers by any party since, although one party does give the impression that it is a priority for them. (Besides it less about what an opposition party did when they could, but more about their attitudes and aims that have become far clearer as time has passed.)

[naomi24]

newmodarmy, I had no intention of posting the link there.  I told my baying critics there that normal service would be resumed elsewhere and it has been - here.  :o)  Unsurprisingly they are conspicuous by their absence on this thread but perhaps in future they'll think twice before judging others by their own abysmal standards.

 

Hymie, yes, they were so good they got kicked out and didn't get a sniff of power for the next 14 years.

 

As for older voters, I think most will have given it some serious thought - including voting for Reform - but  the controversy currently surrounding Nigel Farage and his people will probably have most of those who had considered his party an option reverting to their usual choices.  There is no way Conservative voters will send Keir Starmer's Labour into Downing Street.

[10ClarionSt]

The only thing wrong with "The Real Labour Govt" as TTT calls it, was that Callaghan delayed too long before going to the polls. Had he gone 6 months earlier, they would have been re-elected. History now.

[naomi24]

Dream on, clarion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent

[naomi24]

Incidentally, Hymie, the first food banks in this country appeared on Tony Blair's watch.  You give your memory far more credit than it warrants.

[Hymie]

Although older people may have forgotten how good things were under the last Labour government (due to dementia/forgetfulness etc), that’s no excuse for not knowing how appalling the Tory government has been over the last 14 years.

[naomi24]

They haven't forgotten, Hymie.  That's why they booted them out and left them out for the past 14 years.  Hopefully their forgetfullness won't be so great that they'll make the mistake of letting them back in again this time round.

[ToraToraTora]

gromit: "Starmer will be Blair II leading ToryLite II. He will win the election but squander it like they did in 1997." - wow, if I'd said that you'd be jumping up and down! So is it ok then if I don't count Sir Beer and co as real Labour? I think they are Somewhere between real Labour and Tory Lite.

[ToraToraTora]

10cs: "The only thing wrong with "The Real Labour Govt" as TTT calls it, was that Callaghan delayed too long before going to the polls. Had he gone 6 months earlier, they would have been re-elected. History now." - perlease! TGL was waiting to wipe the floor with them at any time, why would 6 months earlier have mattered? Few bodies unburied? Less rubbish piled up in leicester square? Wildcat strikes, union dogma, financial idiocy, (remember going cap in hand to the IMF?), sick man of Europe. Pro union laws made management impossible, huge inflation, huge pay claims, more inflation. Gawd take off the rose tinted specs me old china. You hate TGL but it was your lot that made her necessary.

[10ClarionSt]

They had a healthy lead in the opinion polls. Callaghan delayed too long. Simples.

Anyway, I think all this talk of a Labour landslide are mistaken. I can't see it. As long as they get a working majority, I think they will be happy. we'll see.

[ToraToraTora]

It went from a Labour majority of 3 seats in 1974 to a Tory majority of 44 seats in 1979. If he'd gone six months earlier it may have made a dent in that 44 but it would no way have been a Labour win.

[Untitled]

i thought you had made it up. i was wrong! i did you a disservice naomi. 

of course the fact that the conservatives are the most popular party among those over 70 reflects that the fact they are very much not the preferred party among everbody else...

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48476-how-is-britain-voting-as-we-enter-the-2024-election-year

there are about 11 million over-65s in the uk so the tories will need a lot more than that.