20% Elected Them Now 60% Think They Are Sleazy.......

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-rishi-sunak-general-election-keir-starmer-12593360

Labour didn't even get a honeymoon. Out in 2029?

[Ken4155]

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Worth scrolling down for the comparative tables.

[naomi24]

untitled 9.09, wanting it to be so doesn't make it so.  Look at the proportional results of the last election.  Just who were all those Conservative and Reform voters?  All over 60s?  I don't think so.  

[ToraToraTora]

Shortly after the election it was reported that 18% of reform voters had Labour as their second choice.

[Untitled]

I didn't say they were "all" old naomi... but most were. 

https://ibb.co/WPqRKH4

 

[Untitled]

it is true ttt that some labour voters switched to reform... but labour voters are far more likely to switch to the greens (as i did) or other leftist parties. tories almost entirely defected to reform. they split the right-wing vote... so long as they keep doing that then labour are guaranteed to stay in. farage is starmer's best asset. 
 

https://ibb.co/5TmMXVp

[naomi24]

As I said, untitled, people mature and with that their views on politics change.  Why do you think that won't apply in the future?

[Untitled]

because that isn't what's happening. what has happened is a large glut of voters who were first won over to the tories in the 1980s and 90s have gotten 40 years older and they don't get very many votes outside of that cohort. unless the party pivots very strongly toward appealing to younger voters (by which i mean people under 50!) then they will not regain voters. Farage understands this.. i predict that he will pivot by 2029 if he is still in politics. i am not so sure about the tories.

[DDIL]

lifelong tory voter who voted labour last election and would vote tory again.

[naomi24]

But it is what's happening, untitled,  You said yourself that the Tory vote was split by Reform.  Former Tory voters haven't changed their political opinions - they simply feel let down by all the in-fighting and so have plumped for the obvious alternative.

[Untitled]

and if they do that again then labour will continue to win. 

[davebro3]

If what untitled asserts is true then the Labour vote would have gone up appreciably - it didn't, it fell.

[youngmafbog]

Unless of course there is some agreement between them.  OK at the moment that is not going to be mooted but 5 years is a long time in politics.

 

[naomi24]

Unless Labour regulars change their vote - as they did in 2019. Starmer is going the right way to assure that.

[Untitled]

Labour lost a huge number of votes to greens and independents largely because they adopted tory policies 

[naomi24]

Labour lost a huge number but most went to the Conservatives. 

[david small]

Reform was a viable solution to the usual two parties nauseous repetitive trough frenzies. Unfortunately same as, same as, once more darkened our horizons.

[Untitled]

it doesn't matter. if reform continues to divide the tories then labour will only need to retain the 20% of eligible voters it won in 2024... and that minority of people is not displeased by anything starmer has done. vote reform and get labour. 

[Untitled]

most of labour's lost voters went green or libdem. very few went tory or reform.

https://ibb.co/5TmMXVp

[naomi24]

Amazing how the Conservatives took so many of those northern seats then. Someone must have voted for them.

[Untitled]

i never said nobody voted tory