U S Presidential Election

[naomi24]

Any predictions on the result?  

[jackthehat]

As with any election, I think people try to vote for the least worst candidate. 

It is rare that there is a person or party whose plans and promises fully fit with your own views and so most of us settle for someone we believe will, at least, try to make things better in the ways we think will be of greater benefit to the largest number of people.

[ynnafymmi]

@15.38.Just a little in-joke between me and TCL,Naomi.

[naomi24]

Oh, ok.

[Hymie]

Trump has said that if elected he would be a dictator and the Republican Party has widely published their fascist agenda (much of which is set out in Project 2025).

 

If Trump does indeed become a dictator and enacts the Republican fascist agenda, (which Trump has alluded to includes people not needing to vote again) – the American electorate can hardly complain, having voted for it.

 

After the Second World War, many German citizens were asked why they voted for Hitler – a common response was that they did not think he would do the things he said he would.

[davebro3]

Godwins Law?

[naomi24]

More like Murphy's Law!  What a confloption (as my mother in law would say) the left make of it all. 

[ynnafymmi]

@16.12.Yes,dave,when i mention the Nazis i get either warned off or suspended,when Hymie or Untitled mention the Nazis they get lauded.A strange site this.

[New Judge]

"...the American electorate can hardly complain, having voted for it."

No they can't.

But you, like one of our other regular contributors on here have your own interpretation of "fascist" (which is by no means as clear cut as you would have us believe).

But more importantly, you also give me the impression that you believe that either such candidates should not be allowed to stand or that voters should not be allowed o vote for them (which amounts to one and the same).

If that is correct, who is to be he arbiter of who is or is not allowed to stand?

If that's not correct, what are you moaning about? Mr Trump was allowed to stand and he got by far and away the most votes.

[Old_Geezer]

No one believes a politician will do the things they say they will, but it's close to all one has to base a decision on.

[Hymie]

If you live in a democratic society and wish to continue to live in such a democracy – how stupid do you have to be to vote for someone who has said if elected they would be a dictator?

[Hymie]

NJ – I certainly have no objections to Trump being an election candidate (for President) and have never expressed such a view.

 

But for someone who is a sex offender, criminal and has a large number of women who over the years have accused him of sexual assault/harassment, plus someone who continually openly lies – it is incredible to me that such a person could get elected as chairman of the local council let alone POTUS.

[ynnafymmi]

At least you Hymie(unlike Untitled)never labelled every Trump voter as a neo-Nazi.

[Hymie]

For those who know nothing about Project 2025 (of which Trump claimed to know nothing about who is behind it) here is a very short video covering only a very few disturbing things contained therein.

 

[Hymie]

For those who want a longer in depth look at what the Trump presidency holds, watch this video that includes some statements from the horse’s mouth (Trump).

[Made before Biden withdrew]

 

Be afraid, be very afraid.

 

[ynnafymmi]

You will get over it,Hymie.Have a nice day(night).See you in 4 years time.🤣

[New Judge]

"...it is incredible to me that such a person could get elected as chairman of the local council let alone POTUS."

But you also find it incredible that people voted to leave the EU. You labelled them "stupid" as well. It's seems to demonsrate that you simply cannot accept that some people (usually quite a number)  have different views to you.

[Hymie]

Anyone who voted for Trump and who wants to live in a democracy is stupid, because they have just voted for the opposite.

 

Aside from that, why anyone would vote for someone (to run their country) who speaks complete nonsense, must be a mystery to any sane person.

 

The disaster that Brexit is to the UK was entirely predictable without too much logical thought, placing barriers between our nearest and largest import/export market.

 

Brexit has far from finished wrecking the UK economy – but to Brexiteers it is a cult and nothing must be said detrimental to Brexit, much like the MAGA Trump movement.

[New Judge]

“Anyone who voted for Trump and who wants to live in a democracy is stupid, because they have just voted for the opposite.”

Over 75m people voted for Mr Trump earlier is week. I would imagine quite a number of them take a keen interest in their country’s politics and are probably, despite your opinion of them, more well informed than you are on the matter. 

So with that in mind, does it not occur to you that some of them have established in their own minds, and probably in far greater depth than you have, exactly what Mr Trump (who, incidentally, denies any connection with “Project 2025”) proposes and that they actually prefer it o the alternative that was offered? Or do you, like another contributor on here, suggest that either they are all  ill-informed or, because they like what they see in Mr Trump, they are simply nasty?

“The disaster that Brexit is to the UK was entirely predictable without too much logical thought, placing barriers between our nearest and largest import/export market.”

We’ll leave aside the fact that your definition of a “disaster” is not the same as that of everybody else. Trade is just one aspect of EU membership. So once again, does it not occur to you that some people might not see the facilitation of reasonably smooth trading as the only facet of EU membership that affects its members and that they might see other characteristics of that membership as far more disadvantageous than having to deal with EU countries in the same way the rest of the world does?

My point is not to argue the relative merits or deficiencies of either a Trump Presidency or of EU membership; they have both been done to death. It is just that in any discussions about both these topics it is plain that you simply cannot accommodate anybody who has a contrary view. You explain your side of the argument but then must always go on to insist that anybody who does not share your views (and this extends to 17m people in the UK who voted to leave the EU and 75m people in the US who voted for Mr Trump) must be stupid/ignorant/racist/xenophobic/ill informed (delete as appropriate). 

The fact is they are not necessarily any of these things. They  simply do not share your views and opinions, that’s all. If we all shared the same political views there would be no need for elections of any sort.

[Deskdiary]

Indeed NJ.

 

The arrogance of Hymie and untitled is of breathtaking proportions. The arrogance goes hand in hand with the egotism and narcissism of these two - dismissing tens of millions of people as stupid (amongst other things) for having the barefaced temerity of holding a different opinion to them is off the scale.

[Hymie]

It is not open to debate whether Trump speaks complete nonsense or not – if you think otherwise you have not listened to what he says – that is not arrogance on my part, it is fact.

 

If anyone disagrees with the above, I will post a small selection of Trump speaking complete nonsense and you can see for yourself.

 

As for the MAGA morons who voted for Trump, one on CNN said that he did not believe what Trump said, and did not believe Trump believed what he (Trump) said – yet he was still going to vote for him.