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john reid tell muslims if they dont like it here to go and the sooner the better. (chance would be a fine thing)
from the day they started coming here they have been a threat to our culture and identity and they arent gonna stop.
their letter criticising our countries policies is a disgrace.
they are slowly but surely taking our country from us.
i find their presence here extremely offensive
all you bleeding heart lefties are to blinkered to see and admit to what is happening here , all you do is shout racist and shut the obvious reality out, every time some one tries to defend this country
from the day they started coming here they have been a threat to our culture and identity and they arent gonna stop.
their letter criticising our countries policies is a disgrace.
they are slowly but surely taking our country from us.
i find their presence here extremely offensive
all you bleeding heart lefties are to blinkered to see and admit to what is happening here , all you do is shout racist and shut the obvious reality out, every time some one tries to defend this country
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my view is simple. The battle against extremist islam is one to be fought within the islamic community. If we get involved it simply acts as a lighting conductor to the ranks of the extremists. It is only the overwhelming majority of moderate muslims that have the power to debunk this lot of extremist cretins.
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WM - Several times on this q&a site you have been told that your views are hurtful, you have been insulted and you have even threatened to leave . But still you continue to post. As I have said previously, you are of course entitled to your views, but be aware that there are a proportion of users who do not agree with them - does that mean you should go - no of course it doesn't.
It isn't my party, your party or anyone else's party - as discussed previously, a high percentage of Muslims in this country are British - that makes their opinions / views etc just as valid as mine or yours.
It isn't my party, your party or anyone else's party - as discussed previously, a high percentage of Muslims in this country are British - that makes their opinions / views etc just as valid as mine or yours.
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Ward Minter, whilst my question was directed at Brazwillrun who suggested all muslims and not only the 'extremist elements' should leave this country all I have to say to your statement is this:.
The way I see this is if you are a muslim who has nothing to do with terrorism then you have equally the same rights as the everybody else be it catholic, jew, hindu or what ever religion you believe in.
The difference in your analogy between a party and living somewhere is that is when you are at a party you are guest and you have a choice to leave if it is not to your liking or you can stay. But if are born here, pay your taxes and has business that helps the economy and you try to make a living like everybody else does then it's nobody else's business to dictate you what you should do and shouldn't purely based on prejudices. My argument is that if you are minding your own business then it becomes irrelevant if you believe in christianity, judaism or islam!
The way I see this is if you are a muslim who has nothing to do with terrorism then you have equally the same rights as the everybody else be it catholic, jew, hindu or what ever religion you believe in.
The difference in your analogy between a party and living somewhere is that is when you are at a party you are guest and you have a choice to leave if it is not to your liking or you can stay. But if are born here, pay your taxes and has business that helps the economy and you try to make a living like everybody else does then it's nobody else's business to dictate you what you should do and shouldn't purely based on prejudices. My argument is that if you are minding your own business then it becomes irrelevant if you believe in christianity, judaism or islam!
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Ward~Minter
If it's analogies you want...here's one:
You see a school playground and you know that one of the kids in the playground will grow up to be a paedophile.
Do you sanction the murder of all those kids? Or do you do your best to identify the potential threat and deal with the threat on an individual basis?
Muslims simply aren't a pain. Muslim extremists are.
Just like the fundamentalist Christians in the Southern states of America. The Bible-thumpers who celebrate AIDS as God's way of clearing out the sinners...once you get to the far reaches of any religious movement, you get the wackos.
Hence the word 'extremists'.
If it's analogies you want...here's one:
You see a school playground and you know that one of the kids in the playground will grow up to be a paedophile.
Do you sanction the murder of all those kids? Or do you do your best to identify the potential threat and deal with the threat on an individual basis?
Muslims simply aren't a pain. Muslim extremists are.
Just like the fundamentalist Christians in the Southern states of America. The Bible-thumpers who celebrate AIDS as God's way of clearing out the sinners...once you get to the far reaches of any religious movement, you get the wackos.
Hence the word 'extremists'.
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If Muslims are considered to cause war all over the world, then Christians should too (especially Catholics) and Jews etc.
In fact, if British born Muslims should 'go home' then maybe we should all be packing our bags. Not sure which country I should pick though, considering my heritage. I have to choose between Scotland, Ireland, France & Norway. Actually there are probably more to choose from so I had better start doing some research ;o)
In fact, if British born Muslims should 'go home' then maybe we should all be packing our bags. Not sure which country I should pick though, considering my heritage. I have to choose between Scotland, Ireland, France & Norway. Actually there are probably more to choose from so I had better start doing some research ;o)
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W~M
Not saying it doesn't happen...I'm just saying that your comments about the Koran are equally applicable to the Bible.
I mean, you do realise that the Klu Klux Klan still refer to the Bible as their tex...
...hang on - that picture is SO fake!!!
Look at her...if she'd been stoned, where are the marks on her jahib?
Fake!
Not saying it doesn't happen...I'm just saying that your comments about the Koran are equally applicable to the Bible.
I mean, you do realise that the Klu Klux Klan still refer to the Bible as their tex...
...hang on - that picture is SO fake!!!
Look at her...if she'd been stoned, where are the marks on her jahib?
Fake!
WM I am not a reader of Koran so you are probably asking the wrong person. I just searched for it on google and here is a useful link for those interested:
http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
btw what is your point by placing a dodgy jpeg with a bad job done of placing a woman in it. If you are on about beheading of women in certain countries so what? it is happening in their country not here!
China and America also have one of the highest rates of human rights abuse in the world. I don't see you putting pictures of electric chairs!
http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
btw what is your point by placing a dodgy jpeg with a bad job done of placing a woman in it. If you are on about beheading of women in certain countries so what? it is happening in their country not here!
China and America also have one of the highest rates of human rights abuse in the world. I don't see you putting pictures of electric chairs!
I think this may be what you are looking for, Ward Minter.
http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html
http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/browse.html
Muslims make demands because 1) they are largely spoilt and intolerant 2) Our Govt often gives in to them.
Let's not forget their en masse whining and panicking when it looked as though their nice little line in sexual slavery (forced marriage) would be curtailed by human rights legislation. Didn't want forced marriages to be outlawed, did they? Forced marriages should be sorted out in the "community", apparently. The words "honour" and "killing" spring to mind.
Remember the riots up north in 2001. A shocking tableau, where houses and shops were destroyed. Public houses full of punters firebombed, the rioters reckless as to whether life would be lost. Molotov cocktails and bricks thrown at police. Millions of pounds worth of damage. The rioters quite rightly rounded up and subject to justice. After the guilty ones were imprisoned, the inevitable letter-writing and lobbying began by their angry families. Why were the family's angry? Because they are people used to circumnavigating justice and responsibility. They have so-called community leaders to plead their case. As a white Englishwoman, who is my community leader? If I try to incinerate a building packed with people, will by community leader smooth things over, as they seem to be able to do in the islamic community?
Apologies in advance to all Muslims who are reasonable and in love with Britain. To the rest of you - you're so selfish it hurts.
Let's not forget their en masse whining and panicking when it looked as though their nice little line in sexual slavery (forced marriage) would be curtailed by human rights legislation. Didn't want forced marriages to be outlawed, did they? Forced marriages should be sorted out in the "community", apparently. The words "honour" and "killing" spring to mind.
Remember the riots up north in 2001. A shocking tableau, where houses and shops were destroyed. Public houses full of punters firebombed, the rioters reckless as to whether life would be lost. Molotov cocktails and bricks thrown at police. Millions of pounds worth of damage. The rioters quite rightly rounded up and subject to justice. After the guilty ones were imprisoned, the inevitable letter-writing and lobbying began by their angry families. Why were the family's angry? Because they are people used to circumnavigating justice and responsibility. They have so-called community leaders to plead their case. As a white Englishwoman, who is my community leader? If I try to incinerate a building packed with people, will by community leader smooth things over, as they seem to be able to do in the islamic community?
Apologies in advance to all Muslims who are reasonable and in love with Britain. To the rest of you - you're so selfish it hurts.
I think I posted an answer to a similar thread elswhere recently, but for W~Ms benefit, and anyone else who cares to look, google "Islam-verses of hate"
W~M asks for an unbiased version of the Qur'an, Koran, whatever you call it, but this is a very much biased view. It outlines the messages of hate, and I have to say it's not comfortable reading. I see no mis-interpretation, as it's pretty straight to the point.
for example: Qur'an 21:44 "Do they see Us advancing, gradually reducing the land (in their control), curtailing its' borders on all sides? It is they who will be overcome."
note: political correctness and multiculturalism has proven to be the most powerful weapon in the advancement of Islam since 1945.
another example of the religion of peace...
Qur'an 5:72 "They are surely infidels who say 'God is the Christ, the Son of Mary' "
Qur'an 5:51 "Muslims, do not make friends with any but your own people"
Qur'an 8:12 cp 8.60 "Instill terror onto the hearts of the unbelievers":"Smite them above their necks, and smite their fingertips off them"
How comforting.
W~M asks for an unbiased version of the Qur'an, Koran, whatever you call it, but this is a very much biased view. It outlines the messages of hate, and I have to say it's not comfortable reading. I see no mis-interpretation, as it's pretty straight to the point.
for example: Qur'an 21:44 "Do they see Us advancing, gradually reducing the land (in their control), curtailing its' borders on all sides? It is they who will be overcome."
note: political correctness and multiculturalism has proven to be the most powerful weapon in the advancement of Islam since 1945.
another example of the religion of peace...
Qur'an 5:72 "They are surely infidels who say 'God is the Christ, the Son of Mary' "
Qur'an 5:51 "Muslims, do not make friends with any but your own people"
Qur'an 8:12 cp 8.60 "Instill terror onto the hearts of the unbelievers":"Smite them above their necks, and smite their fingertips off them"
How comforting.
Yeah, yeah, yeah and in our Bible it says
"An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth."
We've tried that in Belfast and for some reason it wasn't a great success, so you see those of us of the Christian presuasion there who had brains decided that we'd ignore that bit of the Bible and not poke out people's eyes because they were trying to poke out ours.
I'd imagine it's very much the same with most Muslims, so just as you have sectarian nutters STILL prepared to kill in the name of politics and religion in Belfast, you'll get a few Muslim extremeists that think it's ok to do as they please.
In niether scenario do we see a TRUE representation of the MAJORITY of REAL COMMUNITIES.
"An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth."
We've tried that in Belfast and for some reason it wasn't a great success, so you see those of us of the Christian presuasion there who had brains decided that we'd ignore that bit of the Bible and not poke out people's eyes because they were trying to poke out ours.
I'd imagine it's very much the same with most Muslims, so just as you have sectarian nutters STILL prepared to kill in the name of politics and religion in Belfast, you'll get a few Muslim extremeists that think it's ok to do as they please.
In niether scenario do we see a TRUE representation of the MAJORITY of REAL COMMUNITIES.
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