Is Jack Straw a Mug ?

[bazwillrun]

Jack Straw has just said there are no plans to create a European Super State...yeah right. Who is the bigger mug, Jack Straw for thinking people believe him, or the people that actually believe him ?

[Quizmonster]

This is close to being - if not strictly-speaking, actually - what lawyers might call a leading question. That is, it assumes that someone is a mug. But what if no-one is a mug...namely, that Jack Straw and those who believe him are actually right?

[bazwillrun]

You got me there !, tell you what I'll withdraw the question, and ask this instead, Who believes Jack Straws statement that there are no plans for a European Super State ?

[Quizmonster]

There may well be such plans, Baz, but I suspect they exist only in a few - mainly French - egomaniacal brains. At least three quarters of the clauses in the proposed 'Constitution' will be those signed-up-to by previous Conservative Prime Ministers...eg Thatcher's Single European Act signature in 1986 and Major's effort at Maastricht in the early 90s, which promised (quote) "ever-closer union with Europe"...so people shouldn't just be picking on poor old Jack! (Incidentally, we were not offered referenda on either of the earlier sign-ups I've just mentioned.) Cheers

[brooklyn77]

Who cares, i hope Britains people will vote a big fat No!! to the European Super State

[Gef]

We are already part of a European Super State whether we like it or not. We don't use Euros (yet) but we obey the European Courts, directives etc.

[bazwillrun]

Couldn't agree more Gef. If the aim is not a super state what is the point of it all ?

[paulz]

I still don't understand how we've gone from what was sold to us [30 years ago] as the European Economic Community [ie a trading community], to the European Union which appears to govern everything we do from shops opening on Easter Sunday [or not] to Parma Ham can only be sliced & packed in Parma or you can't call it that. I think there's too many bureaucrats with too much time on their hands.