Bowling for Canada question below

[newtron]

I see it but can't access it when I click on it. Is anyone else having this problem?

[newtron]

Correction - I can't see it any more. Why was it removed?

[admarlow]

That is SO annoying, I didn't know he owned this site!!!

BTW

In May of 2006, Moore was sued by a veteran who lost both arms in the war in Iraq. Sgt. Peter Damon, of Middleborough, MA, alleges that Moore used snippets of a television interview without his permission to falsely portray him as anti-war in Fahrenheit 9/11

[mountainboo]

OMG, why has it been removed? Thanks for that info admarlow, I didn't know that, I know the guy you mean.

[shellshocked]

i posted the original question..my account was removed, i think because of a remark i made in a post named 'Leaving AB'...i can only assume that's what's happened as i couldn't log back in

[mountainboo]

Oh right. That doesn't make any sense?

[shellshocked]

i assume when your account is removed all the threads your involved in go too...or at least the questions your have raised

[admarlow]

what did you say??? (you might have to use ******

[jake-the-peg]

Did somebody post something potentially libelous about MM?

Can Ed not just edit the offending response and not just yank the whole thread?!

This is getting to be a habit!

[WaldoMcFroog]

I wrote a great big response and posted it just as the thread was being removed.

Anyway, very quickly, in response to admarlow's points a) and b) in the last thread:

a) (paraphrasing) How do we know how long the president was there, it could have been edited? We know because the entire thing was filmed by the elementary school he was visiting and this can be viewed in about a thousand places on the net including a time code.

b) (paraphrasing) How do we know what Andrew Card said to Bush? Andrew Card has gone on record and confirmed it many times. He then goes on to say he thinks Bush behaved correctly, which is obviously up for debate, but there's no doubt about what Bush was told or that he then sat there for several minutes doing nothing.

MM's techniques have unquestionably damaged his credibility but you can't get him on those particular points.

[admarlow]

Waldo...what about poinyt C?

[WaldoMcFroog]

Point C) as I recall it is what I addressed when I said MM's credibility is damaged. He's his own worst enemy. He makes lots of great points then ruins them through sloppy techniques.

[mountainboo]

Ok, so he did sit there in silence for several minutes after he was told by Andrew Card that the nation was under attack. That is a questionable reaction for a President to have upon receiving such information. Didn't he also halt all investigations into 9/11? Is it true the U.S government had an allie in Afganistan who was Usamas' enemy who repeatedly warned there would be an attack and was then assasinated on 10th Sept 2001?

[Loosehead]

On the whole class room bit Waldo, I don't know if you remember but initially the first impact was thought to be a light aircraft accidentally crashing, that's why GWB didn't move immediately. I remember the day well and the BBC initially just said a small plane had crashed into the WTC. It was only when the second plane hit and more information became available that it was known to be a terrorist attack. So the F911 claim that Bush sat there for 20 minutes reading a book is correct but he, like the rest of us did not know it was an attack. I suspect MM missed out that bit.

[mountainboo]

But loosehead, like waldo said, the words spoken in his ear were 'the nation is under attack'.

[Kathyan]

Bush also told people that he saw the first plane hit the towers as he was waiting to go into the school. This can't be right because footage of the first plane hitting the first tower wasn't released until the following day!

[mountainboo]

Perhaps he'd received information about the first plane and people had assumed he saw it?

[WoWo]

I agree with Loosehead, I was at work that day and I remember it being announced the news channels were reporting a light aricraft and everybody in the office was under the impression it was simply and accident.

You need to bear in mind the world (especially the US) was a very different place before 9/11 and despite the odd thing terrorism in the US was pretty much non-existent and there had never been an attack of such scale anywhere in the world.

Until the second plane crashed the idea it was a terrorist attack just didn't come into it.

[mountainboo]

WoWo, the government were apparantly well aware that a terrorist threat loomed. The FBI were told of the highjackers from flight 11 when they were training at a U.S flying school. The bomb in the trade centre in 1993 was just the start. There were people in the FBI and the government that knew the minute the fisrt plane crashed that it was an attack

[sp1814]

Hang on - Bush carried on reading 'My Pet Goat' after the second plane hit the WTC.

He continued reading for about seven minutes.

Now, it must've been obvious that it was premeditated...I'm actually surprised that the secret service didn't get him onto Air Force One immediately.

Then again, seven minutes ain't so bad...took him over a week to respond to Hurrican Katrina.

[mountainboo]

sp1814, that is very true.